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A Call to Bold Faith

Let’s explore what the bible says about living boldly for Christ, drawing lessons from 1 Samuel 23 and reflecting on the life and impact of Charlie Kirk. This episode reminds us that following Jesus is not about ease or comfort but about courage, obedience, and faith in the face of trials.

The Misconception of an “Easy” Christian Life

Many have been led to believe that becoming a Christian means living a trouble-free life. Yet scripture and history show the opposite. From David fleeing Saul, to the early disciples facing persecution, living for God has always meant going through valleys. Faith does not eliminate difficulty, it strengthens us to walk through it.

Lessons from David in 1 Samuel 23

When David was running for his life, he heard of the Philistines raiding the town of Keilah. Despite his own danger, he inquired of the Lord whether he should go fight for others. God’s answer was clear: “Go and attack the Philistines and save Keilah.” David obeyed, even when his men were afraid.

This story challenges us to step outside of self-preservation and act boldly for others, trusting God’s leading even in risky circumstances.

Modern Parallels and the Life of Charlie Kirk

Charlie Kirk’s ministry, though often controversial, reflected a willingness to stand for truth even under threat. Like David, he placed himself in difficult and sometimes dangerous positions to share biblical truth with a generation under pressure. His legacy, much like the lives of biblical leaders, demonstrates faith lived out with courage and conviction.

Examples of Costly Faith Through Scripture

Throughout the Bible, God’s people endured great trials:

• Noah built the ark despite decades of ridicule.
• Abraham left everything familiar and endured famine and conflict.
• Joseph was betrayed, imprisoned, and forgotten before God’s promises came true.
• Moses led Israel through hardship despite his fears and failures.
• Jeremiah preached faithfully while persecuted and rejected.
• Paul endured imprisonment, beatings, and shipwrecks yet never stopped preaching Christ.

These examples remind us that obedience to God often costs us something, but the reward is eternal.

What It Means for Us Today

The takeaway from this message is clear: the world doesn’t need a silent or fearful church. It needs believers willing to obey God, even when it’s inconvenient, uncomfortable, or costly. Just as David inquired of the Lord and obeyed, we must ask God what He wants from us… and then do it, afraid if necessary.

A Call to Action

The episode closes with a call for believers to rise up as bold disciples, shining the light of Christ in a dark world. The challenge is not to retreat into comfort or self-focus but to carry on the work of faith with courage, compassion, and obedience.

Where To Dive In

(00:09) Living Boldly
(10:52) Facing Danger
(15:45) Call to Sacrifice, Faith, and Obedience
(37:18) Embracing Sacrifice for the Gospel

Full Transcript

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00:09 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Welcome to the Jamie Luce Podcast. Thank you for taking time today to dig into the Word of God. If you’re familiar with this podcast, you know what we’re all about. In case you’re new, the heart of God is found in his word. To know him, to understand him, to be compelled with what compels him to love, to stand. Everything that we need to know about the Lord, jesus Christ, is found in the scriptures, and so we endeavor on this podcast to make sure that we are literally eating the manna that is found in these scriptures day by day, that it is our desire to dig deep, to see what the truths are that are there for us, to dig up the treasures that are found in his word and to apply them to our life, to live in accordance with his word and to truly be his disciples. So thank you so much for making the word your priority today. I come to you today with both a heavy heart, a frustrated heart, a confused heart. As many of you may be. We have just come through a very difficult week the passing of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk at Turning Point, usa, and seeing the aftermath and what his family, his wife, his children you know, their parents and siblings and all those who are left to grapple with what has now changed their lives, what has now changed their lives. And as the days have progressed, we are seeing the great impact that this man had, not just at Turning Point, not just with his family, not just at the church he attended, not just in the United States, but all over the world. We are seeing incredible surges of revival that are happening, and it’s not just young people who were his general audience. This is affecting all of us and it’s affecting everyone to the point that either you are someone who is grieving or you are someone who is celebrating. And there doesn’t seem to be an in-between.

03:00
And originally I had read a portion of Scripture, a particular text in 1 Samuel 23, and I felt like I had a message to deliver based off of this passage. And then, as I sat down last week to actually record this, I literally it was the day that I believe it was Wednesday that I had found out what was happening and we didn’t know yet if Charlie had survived or not. And I sat down to record this upon hearing he had passed and thought that I had got recorded this message. And yet, while I was recording it, the Lord was changing. It was to see exactly how Charlie’s life was lived, how those before us and our fathers of the faith lived their lives and faith out, and how that translated how we should be living our lives out. And to my dismay, I found out after the fact that the recording did not record properly and it was lost. And boy did I grieve over that because I had.

04:32
There was such a powerful move of the Holy Spirit moving on this text, and so I’m going to endeavor today to to re-record this now, with hindsight, looking back on this and still digesting what has transpired over the last few days, A few days, and my hope is that you will go away from this podcast with a clearer, more resolute if you don’t already have it, but a more resolute scriptural knowledge of how we are to live boldly. And sometimes, in that boldness and living that way, it is a thankless job, and not only is it thankless, many times it is perilous. And then there are times when it takes all that you are your life. And so, if you will go with me into 1 Samuel, we’re going to be reading in chapter 23. And this whole passage, this whole portion, several scriptures here is when David has been anointed king by Samuel and yet he’s not yet king. Saul is still king and originally Saul loved David until he realized that David had, you know, the favor of the people, so to speak. The women would dance and cheer when they would come back from a military endeavor and they would welcome David back in and the women were, you know, singing songs that Saul has killed his thousands, which was a praise to Saul. But then it was usurped by, and David his ten thousands, which began a root of jealousy in Saul that was insatiable and would lead to his own death. His own vengeance and heart would lead to his own death.

06:51
And we have a lesson to learn in these scriptures. Not that we follow everyone’s example that we see in scripture, but we see what they did, we see the outcomes, we see what God thought, what God instructed, how people responded example that we see in scripture but we see what they did, we see the outcomes, we see what God thought, what God instructed, how people responded, so that we can understand what we’re supposed to do. And I believe that Charlie’s life was very much a good picture of a King David in his endeavor and the sheer reliance on God to continue to take whatever that movement and that work was and to multiply it. And he worked very hard. He it wasn’t that. He built something and had just others doing the work. No one could outwork him built something and had just others doing the work. No one could outwork him. And this is the character of the man. So I’m going to read to you these passages and I will be stopping here and there to make some comments about this.

07:58
But there is a fallacy that a weak church over the last several decades has been permeated with, and that is that to be a Christian, to live the Christian life, to accept Christ as your Savior, then somehow Christ as your Savior then somehow constitutes then an easy life. It’s kind of the idea of, okay, I was weighed down by sin and now I’m not anymore, and then we translate that truth into thinking that now it’s going to be easy. No, it’s not going to be easy and it won’t always seem fair. What we don’t understand is that we lose sight that Jesus is not the same as we are. He’s calling us to a higher place. God said of himself that my thoughts are not your thoughts. I have higher thoughts than your thoughts. My ways, don’t look like your ways, and we have to understand that, because God is good and he’s always good that whatever plan or purpose or path he takes us on, it is for good, it is for good purpose and, ultimately, for God’s pleasure.

09:31
Now I don’t want to make it sound like it’s pleasurable for the Lord that we lost Charlie. That’s not what I mean at all. In fact, the scripture tells us that when his saints die on this earth, that is a precious thing to the Lord. That means something that’s not taken lightly, that their life was given up, but it means God has a higher purpose, that if things are allowed to take place in this life, we can still trust the God of this universe. And David understood this. He wasn’t king yet, but he understood this about God. And David made it his endeavor to always ask the Lord should I, should I go here? Should I go there? Should I do this, should I go there? Should I do this? Should I do that? What does God say? He was always inquiring of the Lord, and it says in verse 1,. Now they told David Behold, the Philistines are fighting against Kila and I can be saying that wrong and are robbing the threshing floors. Therefore, david inquired of the Lord.

10:52
So before I go any further, I want you to see that David simply hears a report. He’s literally running for his life. Right now. He has these men who have gathered together with him and they go with him where he goes, but they are running around, hiding from Saul. They aren’t living victoriously out in the open doing the things that they would want to do and being unencumbered by outside forces. They are hiding. They’re running for their lives. There’s a lot on their mind. Hiding, they’re running for their lives. There’s a lot on their mind. If you are in danger, almost all of us respond to that danger by being hyper-vigilant, hyper-focused. And David is going through this. He’s having to run and hide from Saul and while he’s hiding for his own life, he gets a report that this town, kila, is being invaded by the Philistines and robbed, and their threshing floors are being robbed, which means they won’t have food. They won’t be able to eat. Verse 2 says Therefore, david inquired of the Lord.

12:06
Shall I go and attack these Philistines? Lord, do you want me to go save them? I know I’m running from my own life here, I know I’m in danger myself, but do you want me to go fight for these people who are in trouble. Doesn’t that sound like Charlie, knowing the death threats that he had regularly? And yet he would still go wherever he was asked to go, or to the campuses and be able to sit and speak with those who may hate him, to put himself in harm’s way and danger, even though he already is under threat, but chose to fight for others? And the Lord said to David Go and attack the Philistines and save Kila. But David’s men said to him Behold, we are afraid here in Judah. How much more then if we go to Kilah against the armies of the Philistines.

13:13
Now, david cared about his men, and these men were afraid. They had every right to be afraid. They weren’t making this up. These were not fearful men, these were very strong warriors and they knew this was dangerous. Where we are right now is bad enough. Are we going to go subject ourselves to more danger? So, being that David cared so much for these men, he went back to God. So it says in verse 4,. Then David inquired of the Lord again and the Lord answered him Arise, go down to Kila, for I will give the Philistines into your hand and folks.

14:00
I really believe with all my heart that the Lord is using the beauty of a life pouring himself out, how Charlie Kirk lived his life pouring it out in service, to bring the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the unsaved, to bring clarity of thought, to bring truth and light to a dark place where lies have permeated, to change a generation for the good. That life poured out is a beautiful example of what we see here. Hearing the Lord say I still want you to go. Danger and all I know you’re under threat. I still want you to go, I still am asking you to go, do this, and I believe the Lord is saying that to us today, that no matter what danger we might be facing, what might be going on in our personal worlds not just the world around us, but each of our own lives, our personal lives, the world we exist in and the Lord is still saying I still want you to be bold, I still want you to speak up, I still want you to go, I still want you to move on my behalf. I still want you to care what others are dealing with, not just getting lost in what you’re dealing with.

15:45
Our culture for the last oh, I don’t know in the last decade, I guess, has really focused on the it’s all about me kind of movement, where I matter so much and what I think and what I feel, and what I think and what I feel and what I want is all that matters, that we have gone so inward and left off care at all for the world around us and those around us. We have denied our own community, our own, even in our own families, to satisfy selfish mindsets and to care only about what we think and what we feel, so much so that we have cut off our own ability to hear. We won’t accept if someone else has a different opinion than us. We leave no room for the fact that we could actually be wrong, that there is more than one thought on this idea, and that we refuse to not only not hear you but to not allow you to have a different thought or opinion other than what we think about ourselves. I want you to change how you address me, what names you call me, what pronouns you give me. I want you to not be able to tell me you can’t tell me what I can and can’t do, even if that puts you in great danger. I can go into the streets, I can steal from anybody I want, I can take whatever I want.

17:29
I literally watched a video of a woman who worked in a senior care facility that had medical services and a man was in one of the hospital rooms there and she was the nurse caring for this man, though she was not caring for him at all and she was stealing the watch off of his arm. It was a Rolex watch. She went through his wallet and pulled the money out of his wallet. What she didn’t know is that it was caught on camera and as she left that day to go get into her car, police were waiting for her and her rationale was seriously, you’re going to arrest me for that? I mean, he’s dying, he doesn’t care, it’s not a big deal. Can’t we just talk about this? It’s no big deal, he doesn’t need it anymore. I didn’t do it. She literally was arguing that she did nothing wrong by stealing what didn’t belong to her. And this is a caregiver working in a facility that we’re supposed to be trusting those who are ill into their care. And this is the society we have created, because we don’t care about anybody else but ourselves.

18:38
And yet there are people like David who said Lord, I’ve heard reports that these people are being robbed and stolen from and they won’t be able to eat. Do you want me to go? Fight for them? And the Lord says yes, go fight for them. And then we have people, modern day, like Charlie Kirk, who says Lord, these people have been lied to, they’re being indoctrinated, they don’t even know that they’re harming themselves, hurting themselves. Do you want me to go? Yes, charlie, I want you to go, even though I’m in danger and I have death threats. And all those who work with me, all these people who are with me. They are threatened regularly. Yes, charlie, I want you to go. And I believe the Lord is saying the same thing to us. Yes, jamie, I want you to go. Put your name in there. Yes, I want you to go. I know it’s dangerous.

19:41
Every single one of the disciples even though John didn’t technically die from it were all martyred, burned, hung. Horrible things done to them, more than what our minds could imagine. It was horrifying to see what happened to Charlie, and yet far worse things were done to the disciples. I’m not minimizing what was done to Charlie in any way, shape or form, but these people were martyred because they believed with all of their heart that what they were doing God had called them to and it was worth their life, that they cared more about the message and the one sending the message through them than they did about their own safety and their own life. That the Lord was more important. That’s why scripture says that this world wasn’t worthy of some of these. It just wasn’t worthy. So let’s continue reading Verse 5,. And David and his men went to Kilah and fought with the Philistines and brought away their livestock and struck them with a great blow. So David saved the inhabitants of Kyla.

21:17
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22:09
There is so much that we can accomplish if we’ll just say yes. If we’ll just say yes, it won’t cost us our life every day. But it may cost us our agenda, it may cost us our convenience, it may cost us our, you know, our personal time, our resources, some vacation and treating ourselves really well and, you know, doing special things for ourselves. We may end up losing some of that and yet what we gain are lives Lives changed.

22:57
I saw another video this morning. It was very touching. It was a man who looked like he was living on a farm I don’t know that for certain, but that’s the way it looked and he was explaining. He was wearing a suit and he was saying he’d never owned a suit before. That he is a man who had very little means and his wife they both were raised with very little means and they were doing a little bit better and as a gift, his wife bought him a suit that cost $300. And boy, he said never had anything like this before and I think I look pretty good, this looks real good. And he said she bought me something that made me feel good. And then his comments turned to Charlie Kirk. He said I was never a man to believe in God, but after seeing Charlie and hearing Charlie, but after seeing Charlie and hearing Charlie, he’s going to church and he’s going to wear that suit to church and he’s going to be a better husband and he believes now that he needs to know God. I don’t know about you, but stories like that, those are precious.

24:26
A man’s life was radically changed because of the impact of a man he never met, because of a video he saw. We are all called to be true disciples, to be like Jesus, in that we go where we know the Father is going. You know, we say what he’s saying and we do what he’s doing. We join him in his work. He told us that the fields are ripe, they’re ready to harvest, but the laborers are few and we’re being called upon to raise up and take Charlie’s place.

25:18
I know many of you have felt the grief. It truly is almost unbearable the grief that we are feeling, and for most of us it’s for someone we never personally met, but we can feel in our spirits and in our souls his impact and we can feel the evil of what is happening in our world. We know it was evil that he was murdered. We know it’s evil that now his wife is a widow and his children no longer have a father. Seeking to live a life unto the Lord will not be easy. There will be times of blessing, there will be seasons there is a season for everything and sometimes there’s a time for war. Sometimes it’s a time of peace, but sometimes it’s a time of war. We are in a spiritual battle.

26:34
I wrote down some examples in Scripture of so many that were familiar with their names in scripture, but their lives prove the point that I’m making. There was Noah who got it right in that he obeyed exactly what the Lord told him and it was a hard assignment to believe something that you’ve never seen. They never knew rain, it had never rained, they didn’t know rain, and yet God tells them it’s going to rain and it’s going to rain for a long time and everything is going to be flooded and life will be wiped out. This is a judgment of God and for a hundred years Noah endured ridicule and mocking and it looked like for a hundred years that the work that God called him to produced nothing. It literally looked like it produced nothing. He looked like he was crazy Until it rained, until it rained, until it rained.

28:03
Abraham, father Abraham, a father of our faith, his journey of faith. The very first thing he had to do was leave the security of everyone that he knew and everything that he knew and a land that he knew. Then he had to endure famine, and that happened where he would have to go looking to live. I mean, a famine means you’re in danger of death. There is no food, there is no water. It’s not like today where we turn on a faucet. You had to find water and you had to have rain so that your crops would grow, so there would be food.

28:56
There was conflict. He had to enter into a war that was not his doing to go save Lot and bring him back and everything that was taken. He had family drama, lots of family drama, and that was to put it mildly. Abraham and Sarah had to deal with the effects of doing things not the way God asked them to do it, not waiting and creating Ishmael, which created not just family drama in the house, which it did, but then he also had to send the bondwoman away with her son. So the emotional pain and stress that that brought as well, that’s a lot of heartache, that’s a lot. There was a lot of years of waiting for a promise that seemed like it would never come. Many trials, many difficulties and wars.

30:07
But he’s the father of our faith, the one who believed God, who believed God, and because of it it was attributed to him as righteousness. There’s Joseph, who was faithful to obey what he knew about God and what God had expected and God’s laws, and he did so under great duress. Under great duress, he was betrayed, sold as a slave, lied upon, imprisoned, forgotten about. He grew up away from family, away from the comfort and the position that he held in his home, waiting for the promise and the dream to be a reality that God had spoken to him. And he believed God. He believed the promise. He did see it fulfilled, but at great cost. Great cost before that promise came.

31:24
Moses obeyed, confronted Pharaoh, but that was already after running, committing murder, hiding in the desert, in the back of the desert for 40 years, taking care of someone else’s sheep, when he originally was raised in the Pharaoh’s home. A complete opposite situation, in fact, to the Egyptians if you were a shepherd, that’s like detestable. To be a shepherd was like detestable. To be a shepherd was like detestable. Then he leads them, he obeys God, he takes them out, frees them through great trial and fear, going before Pharaoh, whom he was afraid to go before, who had reason to be afraid. And yet he trusted the power of God and listened to God, not without arguing, not without saying he couldn’t, not without kind of wrestling it out until the Lord said OK, fine, you can take Aaron with you. There was a lot of humanity still left there. Gets them delivered. And then the same group of people are constantly griping and constantly a problem, while he’s supposed to be leading them to this promised land. And they were such a problem and there was such a it was so difficult for him to deal with that he didn’t do what God said, he didn’t act right, and then he lost the ability to go into the promised land. It’s a lot of cost, great men of faith who it cost them a great deal.

33:15
Jeremiah, known as the weeping prophet, a faithful, obedient prophet. He was constantly persecuted, persecuted, constantly ridiculed, imprisoned into the muck and the mire, and yet, though, he was always full of tears, crying and believing for a nation who would refuse to hear. He still gave the message. God still wanted him to preach the message. Folks, it’s not up to us to convert a heart, that’s the Holy Spirit’s work. But it is up to us to speak to them, to tell them, to give them the opportunity to know Jesus Christ.

34:09
We know Jesus, a perfect man, a perfect man, literally. A perfect man, perfect in every way, man Perfect in every way. And even though he was perfect, he was completely ridiculed. They blasphemed, they always looked for ways to either stone him, kill him, stop him, shut him up, until they finally crucified him. A perfect man was crucified. Jesus gave his everything because he knew the assignment and it was worth it. He deemed us worth the risk, even though he was afraid he didn’t want to die. Gethsemane tells us he didn’t want to die, but he was willing. He was willing.

35:20
I think we can sometimes think we baby ourselves so much. We think, yeah, it’s just too hard, it’s just too hard to do that. And then I think of Paul, and I’ll close with this. Let’s go to 2 Corinthians and we’ll look at chapter 20. I’m sorry, not 20, 11, chapter 11.

35:50
And I’ll read you what Paul said of himself, because people were trying to say that they were. He was nothing special and he was not. He didn’t want to boast. He was like I’m a fool if I boast, but I have to correct your thinking. So he says, starting with verse 17, what am I saying with this boastful confidence? I say not as the Lord would, but as a fool, meaning I wouldn’t boast for myself. But I have to tell you this. Like a fool, I have to tell you this Since many boast according to the flesh, I too will boast, for you gladly bear with fools being wise yourselves, for you bear it if someone makes slaves of you or devours you or takes advantage of you and puts on airs or strikes you in the face of you. And puts on airs or strikes you in the face, to my shame, I must say, we too. We were weak too for that. But whatever anyone else dares to boast of, I am speaking as a fool. I also dare to boast of that. Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they offspring of Abraham? So am I. Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one.

37:18
I am talking like a madman, with far greater labors, far more imprisonments with countless beatings and often near death. Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned Three times. I was shipwrecked A night and day. I was adrift at sea On frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. And apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches, all the churches. Who is weak? And I am not weak. Who is made to fall? And I am not indignant. If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.

38:41
At Damascus. The governor under King Aretas was guarding the city of Damascus in order to seize me, but I was let down in a basket through a window in the wall and escaped his hands. He goes on, but to see what he suffered. In fact, there is a scripture and I should have looked it up for you, you can look it up yourselves that said that when Paul received his revelation from the Lord, he received the knowledge that he must suffer many things for Christ. He must suffer many things for Christ. Well, that right there tells you salvation doesn’t save you from suffering. It doesn’t negate us from having to choose to do the hard thing. It is time for us folks to stand up. It’s time for us to truly be the church. Don’t let the fight intimidate you. You will make it through, but obedience is absolutely necessary.

40:10
The winning strategy is always to follow the instructions that the Lord gives. It’s living by leading, the leading of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes it’s literally a moment by moment leading, maybe a day by day or an assignment by assignment. Hang in there. Hang in there there. We haven’t yet given everything. We haven’t yet given everything Charlie did. He gave it all. No greater love have we in this that a man lays down his life for his friends. That was the life of Christ, as lived the best way he could, as an example to us. He followed the scripture. We must follow those same scriptures. We must follow in those same footsteps. Scriptures we must follow in those same footsteps. We must be those who, instead of worrying about me, myself and I, care about the body. We hurt with Charlie’s death because he was part of the body. When your body hurts, you run to it, you feel it, you want to comfort it. He gave his everything and we feel his loss. The world needs us now more than ever. The Lord needs you to be a worker in his field. There is great work to be done. Be a worker in his field. There is great work to be done.

41:50
I pray today that you will take these examples that we see over and over again of what it means to truly be a Christian. Let us not lay down our swords. Let us not stop the fight for fear. Let us rise up as bold, bold believers, willing to do whatever it is that God is calling us to do to care about our neighbor, to love those around us who need to see the light in a dark world. We have the light. It’s like the parable and the children’s song. Let’s not hide our little light under a bushel. Let’s let it shine. Let me pray for you, father. First, I just want to thank you that you have given us all that we need in this life, for life and for godliness. I want to thank you for Charlie’s life and how he blessed so many more than he even knew that he had touched, more than he even knew that he had touched.

43:07
I pray, father, today that we all accept the mantle that has been left for us to pick up and carry on, that we will be bold for you, that we will not shy away from truth, that we will love those who need to know your message. We will love those who need to know your message, that we would not be afraid to the point that we stop. It’s one thing to be afraid, but we want to do it afraid. We want to be those who continue to carry the torch that Charlie did such a great job of carrying, to follow in the examples of David, moses, abraham, noah, paul and, of course, our Lord and Savior, jesus Christ. May we hear clearly your instructions and may our hearts be filled with courage today to go and spread the gospel, the truth, the light of your word that someday we would be afforded the exact same privilege that Charlie had of hearing those words.

44:18
Well done, good and faithful servant. Bless his family, oh God. Comfort Erica and the children, all those, father, who are left to deal with his absence physically, tangibly. Let your presence be with them. May they know your tender mercies and your comfort. Be with them. May they know your tender mercies and your comfort, and may grace for each day abound to them. We ask this in Jesus’ mighty name, amen. Thank you again for taking time to dig into the Word today. I pray that you will remember Charlie’s family in your prayers. Pray that you will remember Charlie’s family in your prayers. Remember to comfort one another. This is a time where we do need the body ministry to comfort one another, encourage one another, strengthen one another. That we will be a light in this dark world. I know that you will never regret one moment spent for Jesus. We’ll see you next time. Bye-bye.