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00:00Jaime Luce: Welcome to the JamieLuce Podcast. I’m your host, Jamie Luce. Thank you for listening today.

00:07Jaime Luce: All of my blogs, social, and YouTube links can be found on my website, jamieluce.com.

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00:27Jaime Luce: My hope and goal in every episode is to give you tools found in Scripture, either by teaching,

00:32Jaime Luce: discussions, testimonies, or interviews that encourage and equip you as you navigate living

00:39Jaime Luce: a real Christian walk in a difficult world. I would love to hear from you. Whether you have

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01:03Jaime Luce: and I’ll post it to my Instagram story. And now join me for today’s episode.

01:10Jaime Luce: Welcome to the JamieLuce Podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in today. It’s such a privilege

01:16Jaime Luce: for me to be here and to be speaking with you. So I just pray that you will take today’s message

01:22Jaime Luce: and let the Lord really minister to you. He spoke this into my heart and I am so excited to bring

01:31Jaime Luce: it to you. I truly believe this is a word from the Lord for so many today and it has a life giving

01:40Jaime Luce: ability if you will apply the truth and the principles that are found in this. So, you know,

01:46Jaime Luce: I thought of so many different titles that I could have titled this today. I wrote down

01:54Jaime Luce: Leaving the Desert, Entering Your Promised Land, How Did I Get Here, Breaking Down Walls,

02:03Jaime Luce: You’ve Gone Around This Mountain Long Enough, and Facing the Giants. I kind of landed on Facing the

02:12Jaime Luce: Giants and Breaking Cycles. How does that sound? So today I want you to buckle up, get your Bibles

02:20Jaime Luce: for me and something to write with because honestly every single one of these titles would have been

02:26Jaime Luce: appropriate to fit. So if any of those sound like something that pricks your heart, you’re going to

02:31Jaime Luce: want to dig in with me today. And I want to talk about breaking cycles. Now it’s going to talk

02:39Jaime Luce: about all those things that I just mentioned, but we tend to, when we find ourselves stuck in a cycle,

02:47Jaime Luce: we tend to ask some questions and I jotted these down and you might want to see if one of these

02:53Jaime Luce: might want to see if one of these pertains to you today. We ask questions like, why am I still here?

03:03Jaime Luce: How did I even get here? How do I get out of here? When will my time come? Did God say,

03:15Jaime Luce: is there a promised land for me? God, where are you? How long, God? Why, God?

03:30Jaime Luce: Or we’ll say things like, it’s not my fault that I’m here. Or on the other hand, we’ll say,

03:38Jaime Luce: or on the other hand, we’ll say, it is my fault that I’m here. Does any of that sound familiar

03:45Jaime Luce: to you today? It does to me. It registers with me and I’ve got a ton of notes here and I hope I can

03:52Jaime Luce: get through them succinctly with you without keeping you too long. But we’re looking at

04:00Jaime Luce: basically three or four passages of scripture today. And again, I want you to get your Bibles

04:05Jaime Luce: out and something to write with. But we’re going to start in Deuteronomy. And I’m sure that any of

04:13Jaime Luce: you who are familiar with your Bibles know immediately Deuteronomy is packed full of all

04:20Jaime Luce: kinds of God’s promises, the curses, what he was wanting and expecting from the children of Israel,

04:27Jaime Luce: going to the promised land. And then we come up on the spies. They’ve been in the promised land for

04:38Jaime Luce: over a month. And God says, okay, we’re ready to go. I’m ready to take you into your promised land.

04:43Jaime Luce: This was a short period of time. This was just a short journey of leaving behind Egypt, gaining

04:49Jaime Luce: instruction for where God wanted to take them, where he was going to lead them. And then once

04:56Jaime Luce: they get to where they could see the promised land, God says, okay, get together the heads of

05:02Jaime Luce: the families and you’re going to send in spies, 12 of you, one from each tribe, and you’re going to

05:07Jaime Luce: look and see what a great land I have for you. And so Moses sends the spies in and you know the story.

05:13Jaime Luce: When the spies come back, they literally are loaded down with grapes so big it has to be carried on

05:21Jaime Luce: poles between two men because the harvest is so great and the land is so plentiful. It’s a good

05:27Jaime Luce: land. It’s flowing with milk and honey. It’s just what God promised. However, in that land, there

05:33Jaime Luce: were giants. Now, according to God and what God said, I gave you the land. In fact, we’re going

05:39Jaime Luce: to read those scriptures. But 10 of those spies came back with a negative report and said, the

05:46Jaime Luce: land’s going to eat us up. Those giants, we were like grasshoppers in their sight. We can’t do this.

05:53Jaime Luce: In essence, they were rebelling against the command of the Lord to take them into the promise that

05:57Jaime Luce: God had for them. And because of that, we only have two, Joshua and Caleb, who said, we can do

06:05Jaime Luce: this. What are you talking about? This land is ours. God told us it was ours. He gave it to us. We

06:09Jaime Luce: can do this. We can have this. And tried to convince the people to obey God and not to rebel.

06:15Jaime Luce: So let’s look at Deuteronomy chapter one, and we’re going to be looking at verses six and seven.

06:22Jaime Luce: And it says, when we were out Mount Sinai, the Lord our God said to us,

06:30Jaime Luce: you have stayed at this mountain long enough. It is time to break camp and move on.

06:42Jaime Luce: Now, I want you to really hone in with me here from the very beginning, because I’m going to

06:47Jaime Luce: give you stuff literally from the very start. You may have already picked up on this as I said this,

06:52Jaime Luce: but I want you to hear this verse again. I’m going to read it again, and I want you to listen

06:56Jaime Luce: with your spiritual ears. Okay? I want you to truly hear what I’m saying here. This is the word of

07:01Jaime Luce: the Lord. I read to you before we started all these possibilities of titles of things that

07:08Jaime Luce: titles of things that probably conjured up some thoughts in your mind about where you might be at.

07:13Jaime Luce: A season you might find yourself in that you think you’re stuck in. A desert land instead of a

07:18Jaime Luce: promised land. Wondering how to get out of the situation that you’re in. I gave you several

07:22Jaime Luce: ideas there, and I want you to think about that. Where are you on that scale? Now, if you’re in

07:28Jaime Luce: your promised land, praise God, you’re going to learn some principles today that will keep you in

07:33Jaime Luce: a promised land so that you don’t end up not in where you need to be. But for those of us who have

07:39Jaime Luce: either just come into something that is a little bit overwhelming or different, and we don’t know

07:44Jaime Luce: what to do with that, or whether we’ve been here a long time and we’re ready, we’re sick of where

07:48Jaime Luce: we’re at. This is a desert place. And in this place, we’re trying to figure out, what do I do?

07:57Jaime Luce: How do I get from here? What’s next? There has to be more, right? I mean, how many of us have asked

08:03Jaime Luce: I have? There has to be more than this. There has to be. God is so much greater, so much bigger.

08:09Jaime Luce: He is the God of the children of Israel who brought them through the red sea on dry ground.

08:15Jaime Luce: And we have to know that our God has not changed. He said of himself, the Lord God do not change.

08:21Jaime Luce: He does not change. So I want to read this verse to you again. Deuteronomy 1, starting with verse 6

08:29Jaime Luce: and 7. When we were at Mount Sinai, the Lord our God said to us,

08:36Jaime Luce: you have stayed at this mountain long enough. Do you hear it? This is the Lord speaking.

08:46Jaime Luce: This isn’t Moses speaking to the people. This is God speaking. And there are some of you today,

08:53Jaime Luce: you need to hear this in your spirit. You’ve been dealing with stuff. You’ve been grappling

09:01Jaime Luce: with things. And I don’t want to get ahead of myself. We’re going to take that somewhere. But

09:08Jaime Luce: God is saying in this new season that you have been at this mountain. You have stayed,

09:16Jaime Luce: he says. God, this is the Lord saying you have stayed. He’s not saying I’m making you stay.

09:23Jaime Luce: Okay. He’s saying you have stayed at this mountain long enough. It is time to break

09:34Jaime Luce: camp. It’s time to break camp and move on. I read this scripture in several different versions.

09:46Jaime Luce: And they all said that either you stayed at this mountain long enough or you have dwelt,

09:55Jaime Luce: meaning you’ve really lived here. You have parked, set up camp, stayed here, lived here,

10:02Jaime Luce: dwelt here long enough. They all said it. They all said the same thing. And it says that they

10:09Jaime Luce: stayed where? You have stayed at this mountain. We all at some time or another have said

10:21Jaime Luce: and quoted the scripture that this mountain is going to move. Right? This mountain,

10:27Jaime Luce: God’s going to move this mountain out of my way. We know faith moves mountains and we talk and

10:35Jaime Luce: speak to those mountains and we tell the mountain the word of the Lord. It’s not that my words have

10:41Jaime Luce: any power, but I have the power of God’s words in me. His word is that mountain’s going to move.

10:48Jaime Luce: And so if that mountain’s going to move and God is saying you’ve stayed at this mountain long enough,

10:54Jaime Luce: what if, I’m giving you a question, what if the mountain you’re asking God to move,

11:03Jaime Luce: God is actually telling you, you move, not the mountain, you move. Don’t pray to me anymore to

11:11Jaime Luce: ask me to move this mountain. I’m telling you to break camp and move on. You leave this mountain.

11:19Jaime Luce: You’re owning this mountain. You’re living at this mountain. You’re staying at this mountain.

11:25Jaime Luce: And God is saying, no, no more. You’ve stayed here. You’ve lived here. You’ve dwelt here long

11:30Jaime Luce: enough. It’s time to break camp and move on. Break camp. What is breaking camp? Let’s talk about that.

11:38Jaime Luce: To break camp is no easy task. I don’t know if you have ever gone camping. I have. And even if you camp

11:48Jaime Luce: in luxury, even if you have yourself a really nice rig, you still have to break camp. And to break

11:55Jaime Luce: camp means there’s a lot of disassembling and tearing down. Did you hear that? There’s a lot of

12:03Jaime Luce: disassembling and tearing down that needs to take place. This means that before we can move on,

12:11Jaime Luce: there are some things we need to tear down. Write that in your notes. When we know that it’s time

12:19Jaime Luce: to move on, there are things that we are going to have to disassemble or tear down. Tear down

12:27Jaime Luce: can look a couple of ways. So this was a command from God. This wasn’t an option. They had disobeyed

12:37Jaime Luce: before, which was how they got here. To do it again would be utter destruction and disaster.

12:45Jaime Luce: Now why do I say to do it again? I’m jumping ahead. I need you to keep up with where I’m at.

12:50Jaime Luce: Here we go. So the people of Israel did not do what they were supposed to do. They did not break

12:57Jaime Luce: camp when they were supposed to the first time. They did not listen the first time. They were now

13:02Jaime Luce: stuck in a desert for 40 years. 40 years. And I know we like to say, you know, 40 years later,

13:12Jaime Luce: and then they finally got to go in. I hope we realize they didn’t go in. 40 years was enough

13:17Jaime Luce: time for a generation to die. Those people never did get into the promised land. Their children did.

13:24Jaime Luce: Joshua and Caleb and their descendants did. But everybody else didn’t folks.

13:31Jaime Luce: If we don’t break camp and move on when God tells us to, we may never see our promised land. We may

13:38Jaime Luce: never enter into the things that God has designed for our lives if we don’t do it God’s way when God

13:45Jaime Luce: tells us to do it. It’s not a matter of God said it so I get to pick and at some point when I’m

13:50Jaime Luce: ready I’m going to go. You have to go when God tells you to go. So we’re jumping to the people of

13:57Jaime Luce: God with Joshua getting ready to lead them in. Okay, I want you to stick with me. So God gives

14:05Jaime Luce: the command. This isn’t an option. 40 more years isn’t an option. Doing this a second time isn’t

14:13Jaime Luce: an option. A generation represented a life. You don’t have a second life. You don’t get to do it

14:18Jaime Luce: in heaven which you missed out to do in here. You got to do it here. You have one life to live.

14:23Jaime Luce: We read in the Psalms, David says, teach us to number our days. We have to understand we’ve only

14:28Jaime Luce: got so many days and we’ve got to use them. We’ve got to use them wisely folks. We don’t get another

14:33Jaime Luce: chance. There’s not some great, so many times we’re waiting for some, I don’t know, cosmic sign

14:42Jaime Luce: to show us when God’s already given a command. Now if you haven’t been given a command don’t you go

14:48Jaime Luce: but if God’s given you a command you need to go and for some of you today hearing this message

14:54Jaime Luce: this is your command. You’ve been waiting you weren’t sure but you’ve heard it today and now

14:58Jaime Luce: this is your command. The command is break camp and move on. Go forward. Don’t stay here. Get up.

15:09Jaime Luce: Pack it all up and move on. In fact let’s reinforce that. Let’s go to Deuteronomy 2 verse 3.

15:19Jaime Luce: I’m going to read this in several translations for you because I wanted you to hear

15:24Jaime Luce: all the different ways this is said so that this clearly, clearly comes into your hearing and into

15:30Jaime Luce: your heart for you to understand. Deuteronomy 2 verse 3 and listen to the different words used.

15:37Jaime Luce: Okay this is the new international version. You have made your way around this hill country long

15:46Jaime Luce: enough. Now turn north. The new living translation. You have been wandering around in this hill country

15:58Jaime Luce: long enough. The English standard version. You have been traveling around this mountain country long

16:08Jaime Luce: enough. The Berean standard Bible. You have been wandering around this hill country. Did I just

16:16Jaime Luce: read that? I sure did. King James. You have compassed this mountain long enough. The new

16:24Jaime Luce: King James version. You have skirted this mountain long enough. Skirted. That’s an interesting word.

16:34Jaime Luce: The new American standard. You have circled this mountain long enough.

16:44Jaime Luce: NASB 1977. You have circled. Let’s see traveled, traveled, compassed. I think maybe I got them all.

16:54Jaime Luce: Okay let’s go back over those. Oh here’s the good news translation. You have spent enough time.

17:01Jaime Luce: You have spent enough time wandering about in these hills. Let’s see the international standard

17:09Jaime Luce: version. You’ve walked around this mountain long enough. I think I’ve hit them all. You’ve encircled

17:17Jaime Luce: enough to you. Enough. Let’s look at that. The words used that the Lord is saying to his people

17:28Jaime Luce: to describe the time that they’re in and that it’s time to move along is that they have wandered too

17:34Jaime Luce: long, traveled too long, made your way too long. I thought that was interesting. You know what? I

17:42Jaime Luce: didn’t read that one on there. Sorry about that. But made your way. Because so many times we do it

17:48Jaime Luce: our way. We’ve been making our way. Not God’s way. We’ve been doing it our way. We’ve made our way

17:56Jaime Luce: long enough. Compassed, skirted. What does it mean to skirt something? Means you’re not dealing with

18:01Jaime Luce: it. You skirted this. You’re not dealing with this mountain. You skirted around this mountain.

18:07Jaime Luce: You’ve not faced this mountain. You skirted it. You’ve circled it. You spent enough time. You’ve

18:12Jaime Luce: walked around. I bet you can relate just as I can to how these words feel. Listen I get it. I really

18:19Jaime Luce: do. I hear what you’re saying. I do. I hear what you’re saying. But I didn’t. I know that many of

18:26Jaime Luce: you are saying but I didn’t choose to be here. That’s great Jamie. Thanks for beating me up today

18:33Jaime Luce: because I didn’t choose to be here. I know some of you feel that way. You say listen I really

18:43Jaime Luce: do hear these words but I’m here because of somebody else. Somebody either sent me here

18:52Jaime Luce: like Joseph and his brothers. Somebody either sent me here, sold me here, hurt me and got me here.

19:02Jaime Luce: Or you think but it’s my fault Jamie. I’m stuck at this mountain dealing with this. It’s my fault.

19:07Jaime Luce: I did this. I put myself here. I got myself into this mess. I don’t deserve a promised land. God

19:12Jaime Luce: surely wouldn’t want to give me anything now. I’ve lost it all. I lost my opportunity. I said no

19:17Jaime Luce: to God. I did like the ten spies. I didn’t go when I was supposed to go. I didn’t do what I needed to

19:21Jaime Luce: do and we have all these things that roll around in our minds that do what? Keep us circling the

19:28Jaime Luce: same mountain. There are only three possibilities. Write these down. There are only three possibilities

19:34Jaime Luce: that you are where you are right now. So we’re going to deal with them. Number one, the Lord led

19:40Jaime Luce: you there. It is possible that you are in an area circling a mountain but the Lord led you there.

19:48Jaime Luce: Now how do I back that up with scripture? Let’s look at Matthew 4 verse 1.

19:52Jaime Luce: Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

20:02Jaime Luce: The Spirit of the Lord led him there. The Spirit of the Lord led him there. It’s possible that God

20:09Jaime Luce: can lead you into a wilderness season of your life. A situation where he needs to feed you

20:14Jaime Luce: manna and teach you how to get something out of you. How to get Egypt out of you and a promised

20:19Jaime Luce: land mentality into you. There’s times when you have to go through that because you have to learn

20:23Jaime Luce: that. Number two, I got myself here. The children of Israel did not deal with the giants that they

20:33Jaime Luce: needed to face early on and because they didn’t deal with it early on in the journey, they’re now

20:40Jaime Luce: dealing with this 40 years later. Or someone else got me here. Joshua and Caleb. These two men

20:50Jaime Luce: wanted to obey God, were ready to go into their promised land. God was ready. They were ready.

20:57Jaime Luce: But because they were part of this group and the group wasn’t ready, they were forced to wait.

21:03Jaime Luce: For 40 years because of the spies bad report. We are all in one of these categories. If you’re in

21:12Jaime Luce: number one or number three, you can rest assured that God is doing a far greater work for you

21:18Jaime Luce: by you being there right now. However, remember that he will not allow you to be swallowed up

21:23Jaime Luce: while you’re there. If you’re there on his assignment and he will provide for you just

21:27Jaime Luce: as he did for the children of Israel and his provision, his word was the provision for Jesus,

21:33Jaime Luce: even while Jesus was there completely fasting, even bread and water. He has a far greater purpose

21:39Jaime Luce: and blessing for you. Joshua went from being the servant to the leader of millions by enduring

21:51Jaime Luce: and growing during the season, even though he didn’t want to be in that season, even though he

21:56Jaime Luce: wouldn’t have chose that, even though God wouldn’t have actually chose that for him. God had another

22:00Jaime Luce: way and because he was with the people and they wouldn’t listen, they wouldn’t obey, that was what

22:04Jaime Luce: happened. Joshua and Caleb. Caleb took the best of the land even though it was 40 years later.

22:09Jaime Luce: Look at the result. Even though it was somebody else’s fault, Caleb took the best of the land

22:15Jaime Luce: and promise. God gave Caleb exactly what he asked for and wanted, as well as he now has a family who

22:23Jaime Luce: watched and followed his example, who learned how to take territory and take promises just like

22:29Jaime Luce: their father. If you are in group number two, then don’t worry, it’s not too late. If you’re in group

22:39Jaime Luce: one or three, know that God’s got you, but guess what? There’s a time to cross over. There’s a time

22:46Jaime Luce: to break camp. There is a time to actually now move on and enter into your promised land.

22:55Jaime Luce: Folks, I’m not telling you this and feeding this to you because I studied it and I learned it

23:03Jaime Luce: the easy way. I am speaking from experience when I tell you this. My own sweet husband was like a

23:13Jaime Luce: Joshua and a Caleb and I was the one who didn’t face giants. I was the one who was afraid. I was

23:20Jaime Luce: the one who held him back for a period of time that he had to deal with me not facing my giants.

23:30Jaime Luce: He was ready to face them. He was ready. He was ready to deal with whatever needed to get dealt

23:36Jaime Luce: with. It was me. So I know what it feels like. I’m telling you, I understand. I know what it feels

23:42Jaime Luce: like to feel like I put myself here. This is my fault that I’m here. Does God still want to use me?

23:49Jaime Luce: Does God still have something for me? Does our God’s promise is still real for me?

23:56Jaime Luce: This is today your opportunity to hear the word of the Lord.

24:06Jaime Luce: When you’ve been wandering, when you’ve been traveling, when you’ve made your own way and

24:12Jaime Luce: you’ve been compassing, skirting, circling, spending enough time walking around in the

24:18Jaime Luce: desert for a long time, it takes some major doing to break camp and move on.

24:25Jaime Luce: Even though God promised them in Deuteronomy 1 8, listen to what he says, I am giving you all

24:33Jaime Luce: this land to you. I’m giving all this land to you. Go in and occupy it. Go in and live there.

24:44Jaime Luce: Don’t dwell at this mountain anymore. I’ve got a promised land for you to live in, dwell in,

24:51Jaime Luce: occupy, own, use. Oh my gosh, there’s so many things I can think of. Even if this could be about

25:01Jaime Luce: your marriage, this could be about your business, this could be about your family and your children,

25:05Jaime Luce: your ministry, this could be about a new life, turning things around, getting rid of old habits,

25:12Jaime Luce: old addictions, old ways of doing things and having a brand new beginning, a new way to live

25:21Jaime Luce: your life in the promise of God. Even though God promised them and said that he was giving them all

25:28Jaime Luce: to them, they didn’t believe it. Joshua had to remind them. Let’s look at Joshua chapter 2 verse

25:34Jaime Luce: 4. He said the Lord has given us the whole land. He’s not just going to give you a part. He’s not

25:42Jaime Luce: going to punish you and tell you you blew it and because you blew it, I’m not giving you that promise

25:47Jaime Luce: anymore. I’ve modified it. I’ve cut it all up and changed it all up and you get a little sliver.

25:53Jaime Luce: That’s not what God did. He said, all right, we’re doing it. We’re moving forward. If you will obey

25:58Jaime Luce: me and you will follow my commands, the word says you will eat up the good of the land. We get to

26:03Jaime Luce: have the whole land, the whole promise, the whole promise. What has God promised you? I don’t know

26:09Jaime Luce: what he’s promised you, but whatever he’s promised you, don’t let the devil do to you what he did to

26:14Jaime Luce: Eve. Don’t question God and say, did God say yes, God did say. Don’t you let the enemy let you turn

26:22Jaime Luce: loose of that. You take hold of that word. Do it like a locked jaw animal. Don’t let that thing loose.

26:29Jaime Luce: Hold on to that word. In fact, when Joseph was having to hang on to his word, the word tells us

26:35Jaime Luce: that the word tested him while he was in the waiting time. That word tests us. Do you believe

26:41Jaime Luce: God? Are you willing? Do you still believe that God’s going to do what he said he would do?

26:46Jaime Luce: I know that the promise seemed almost impossible in the face of what moving forward entails.

26:51Jaime Luce: We can never look to the work. We can never let the work, excuse me, we can never let the work stop

26:57Jaime Luce: the process, no matter how daunting or terrifying the work and the fight might be. Don’t let the

27:04Jaime Luce: work itself be what stops you. Don’t let knowing it’s going to be hard stop you. Don’t let knowing

27:10Jaime Luce: that there’s going to be struggle and pain with this stop you. The promise is worth it. Break this

27:16Jaime Luce: down. Break this camp up. Don’t stay at this mountain any longer. It’s time to move on.

27:28Jaime Luce: We can easily, easily fall into the trap of the me against them scenario when it’s time to move on.

27:37Jaime Luce: I want to show you because Joshua faced this head on. Turn in your Bibles to Joshua 5 and we’re

27:43Jaime Luce: going to look at verses 13 to 15. It says, now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho. It’s time

27:49Jaime Luce: to go in, right? Jericho is the first place they have to go in at. He raised his eyes and looked.

27:59Jaime Luce: Okay, now this is my side note. I’m breaking off a scripture. This is Jamie. When you look, really

28:05Jaime Luce: look, lift your eyes and look at your problem and assess how difficult it will be. You raise

28:13Jaime Luce: your eyes and you look on your Jericho. Okay, we’re going to look at it the way that Joshua

28:22Jaime Luce: raised his eyes and looked at his Jericho. Now I’m going to keep reading. And behold, now look at

28:29Jaime Luce: this. A man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand and Joshua went to him

28:38Jaime Luce: and said to him, now listen to what Joshua says to him and hear what the answer is.

28:44Jaime Luce: Are you for us or for our enemies? Now we get caught in this a lot.

28:54Jaime Luce: It’s, it’s, we want to know if whatever we’re having to do and whoever we’re having to deal with,

29:01Jaime Luce: we want people to pick our side. We want people to agree with us and tell us,

29:09Jaime Luce: I believe you. It’s not your fault and you don’t have to worry about this. That’s not your

29:15Jaime Luce: responsibility. And even though people mean well, even though people mean well, that is not how God

29:24Jaime Luce: wants us to look or lean. Okay. To lean on something is to gain strength from something,

29:32Jaime Luce: to keep you in a mindset that moving forward is a me against somebody, a me against an enemy. Okay.

29:42Jaime Luce: God has made you a victor. You are victorious. And so you have to look at this through different eyes.

29:50Jaime Luce: You have to see this the way that God sees this. Now we can see it in scripture, how God sees it.

29:54Jaime Luce: So let’s look at this. It says that he said to him, are you for us or for our enemies?

30:01Jaime Luce: When we’re trying to evaluate who and what we trust in order to go forward, we get into

30:07Jaime Luce: self-preservation mode. Joshua was asking, are you on my side or on somebody else’s side?

30:15Jaime Luce: But what did God say? God says, that’s the wrong question. You’re asking the wrong question.

30:22Jaime Luce: Moving forward isn’t based on who is with you. It is based on who you are with.

30:30Jaime Luce: Did you hear me? Let’s say that again. Moving forward isn’t based on who is with you.

30:38Jaime Luce: If you’re waiting for someone to come get with you, if you’re waiting for that help to come from

30:42Jaime Luce: somebody else, you’re asking the wrong questions and relying and leaning on the wrong thing.

30:48Jaime Luce: That’s the arm of the flesh. It’s not based on who’s with you. It is based on who you are with.

30:57Jaime Luce: Let’s look at verses 14 to 16. He said, rather, this is the rest of that conversation, rather,

31:03Jaime Luce: this is the angel.

31:25Jaime Luce: Look at what the message of the Lord was.

31:28Jaime Luce: This is vital, folks, that we get this. It’s so important. You don’t want to miss this.

31:36Jaime Luce: Joshua realizes, oh my gosh, this is God. He sent an angel to speak to me. The word of the Lord is

31:41Jaime Luce: coming to me. And he’s saying, there is no us in them. It’s are you with me? Are you on my side?

31:50Jaime Luce: Are you in this for me? For what I told you? To obey me? Or are you in this for you?

31:55Jaime Luce: To obey me? Or are you in this for you? Are you in this for what you can get out of it?

32:01Jaime Luce: Are you in this relationship with the Lord because you’re expecting him to do things for

32:04Jaime Luce: you that you want him to do and you figure this is the only way to do it?

32:09Jaime Luce: Or are you doing it for the Lord and then reap all the benefits the Lord has designed for you?

32:16Jaime Luce: You have to be with the Lord. You have to be with the Lord.

32:20Jaime Luce: When God wants to take you and where he wants to take you, you can’t go in the flesh.

32:27Jaime Luce: Your way and your provision won’t get it done. How do I know? What was the rest of what this

32:34Jaime Luce: angel told, told Joshua? He said, remove your sandals from your feet for the place where you

32:43Jaime Luce: are standing is holy. And Joshua did so. Joshua knew, I’m your servant. He threw himself and

32:53Jaime Luce: bowed to the ground and said, I’m your servant. He’s told to take off his shoes that the ground

33:04Jaime Luce: he’s standing on is holy. What does that mean? What does that mean? He’s told to take off his

33:12Jaime Luce: what does that mean? It means you can’t get there in the flesh. Your regular gear, your normal way,

33:22Jaime Luce: the way you would, you’re not going to get there in the flesh. The way you need to go and the

33:27Jaime Luce: provision you need to go in that doesn’t come from your humanity, your dirty shoes. They’re

33:32Jaime Luce: not going to take you there. This is a holy mission, a God appointed commission. It’s holy.

33:43Jaime Luce: You can’t take down Jericho sized walls that took years to build that are fortified walls so thick

33:51Jaime Luce: that chariots could race on top. There’s no way you’re going to take that down and enter into

33:55Jaime Luce: your promised land doing it with your dirty old sandals in your own humanity.

34:02Jaime Luce: There’s one way folks and it’s the holy way. It’s God’s way. It’s the only way.

34:11Jaime Luce: Before you advance, you must understand and position yourself according to God’s instructions.

34:17Jaime Luce: It’s going to take following the spirit of God. Let’s look at what Joshua was up against. I mean,

34:24Jaime Luce: let’s really look at this because I bet you’re thinking you have no idea how big my mountain is.

34:28Jaime Luce: He was a man who wandered in the desert that someone else’s decision kept him in for 40 years

34:35Jaime Luce: and yet God allowed it. Though God chose Joshua to now lead this people, he in essence though

34:43Jaime Luce: inherited all of Moses’s responsibility and all the problems that came with that responsibility.

34:51Jaime Luce: A stubborn and disobedient people. This is really hard demanding arduous training.

35:02Jaime Luce: Really tough training ground but God was in it. God had not abandoned him in that time

35:10Jaime Luce: and God has not abandoned you. He is working a far greater glory.

35:19Jaime Luce: If you will allow the Lord to make you in this process, prepare you in this process,

35:26Jaime Luce: you like Joshua will go from being a servant to being a leader. To being one who can lead people

35:36Jaime Luce: into promise even if those people are your very family like Caleb did for his family.

35:45Jaime Luce: It takes total surrender to God’s will and the fire of refinement that can actually feel like

35:53Jaime Luce: a torment sometimes. How is this encouraging? I’m telling you it’s encouraging because that

36:01Jaime Luce: promise is just on the other side of that obedience, of that surrender, of that trust

36:10Jaime Luce: and that faith of walking after the spirit and not after the flesh. And now that the time had

36:15Jaime Luce: finally come let’s look at what he faced. He not only faced the giants that he knew were in the

36:22Jaime Luce: land itself but it would take breaking down and getting past the walls that guarded that land

36:31Jaime Luce: first. Joshua 6-1, let’s turn there, Joshua 6-1 says, now Jericho was tightly shut because of the

36:43Jaime Luce: sons of Israel. No one went out and no one came in. Do you feel trapped? Do you feel like walls

36:55Jaime Luce: have been built so high to protect your heart, to protect your circumstance that you can’t get out

37:03Jaime Luce: of them? Or do you feel because the people of Jericho couldn’t go out, they were trapped behind

37:09Jaime Luce: those walls and yet the children of Israel couldn’t get in? You’re trying to break in,

37:16Jaime Luce: you’re trying to break through, you’re trying to get a breakthrough. My goodness how many of us

37:21Jaime Luce: want to break through right? You want to break through and the walls were so tightly shut up

37:27Jaime Luce: they couldn’t break through these walls. Those walls were 13 feet high, 6 feet thick and they

37:35Jaime Luce: had a watchtower 28 feet tall. That really hit me because when I realized it was a watchtower

37:44Jaime Luce: it’s like hmm when you think about that and a watchtower that is somebody is up there at

37:49Jaime Luce: tremendous heights behind very fortified walls who is looking to make sure that nobody gets in

37:57Jaime Luce: and nobody gets out. Talk about extra security, talk about an enemy who has tried to keep you out

38:03Jaime Luce: of your promised land and they’re doing everything they can. No one gets in, no one gets out and

38:10Jaime Luce: someone is watching around the clock from a height that they can see far into the distance.

38:19Jaime Luce: There was someone in that watchtower who was doing his best to keep Joshua out but we have to

38:28Jaime Luce: remember what did the Lord say? It’s not you against him, it’s are you with me? Are you with me?

38:37Jaime Luce: Remember that. The angel said this is holy ground. He told him this is where you have made the

38:45Jaime Luce: decision. Are you on the Lord’s side or on your own side? Okay this is a holy mission, it’s God’s

38:53Jaime Luce: mission, it’s a holy commission and on top of that this is something that you can’t do in your

38:58Jaime Luce: flesh anyway. These walls are fortified. Joshua was given the holy strategy to know what to do though

39:05Jaime Luce: to bring down those walls. We don’t have a recording of the angel saying to him what this was but we

39:11Jaime Luce: clearly see after this encounter that Joshua knows exactly what to do and gives very specific

39:18Jaime Luce: strategic things for the people of Israel to do in order for these walls to come down.

39:24Jaime Luce: It wasn’t by might, it wasn’t by power, it was by the Spirit of God. So if you feel weak today and

39:31Jaime Luce: you think I don’t have might, I don’t have position and power, I don’t have influence, that’s okay.

39:36Jaime Luce: You don’t need those things. For Joshua it wasn’t by might and it wasn’t by power, it was by the

39:42Jaime Luce: Spirit of God. They were instructed though, now hear me this is really important, they were

39:47Jaime Luce: instructed not to say a word. The continual problem, the children of Israel were constantly

39:56Jaime Luce: reprimanded by the Lord was for their mouths. They continually complained and murmured. God hated it.

40:06Jaime Luce: He said over and over again to them that he took care of them all along their journey. He had made

40:13Jaime Luce: a way for them, did miraculous signs and wonders. In fact let’s look at what God said in Numbers

40:21Jaime Luce: 14-11. I want us to look at this and again I’ve printed this off in several different translations

40:26Jaime Luce: because I want you to hear this. It says Numbers 14 verse 11, this is the new interment, the NIV,

40:34Jaime Luce: the Lord says to Moses, how long will these people treat me with contempt? How long will they refuse

40:44Jaime Luce: to believe in me in spite of all the signs that I have performed among them? The NLT says, how long

40:53Jaime Luce: will these people treat me with contempt? Will they never believe me after all the miraculous signs I

41:01Jaime Luce: have done among them? The ESV, how long will this people despise me? The Berean study Bible, how long

41:12Jaime Luce: will this people treat me with contempt and how long will they refuse to believe in me?

41:20Jaime Luce: I mean they go on and on. They literally, I wrote down, I went through these and wrote these down

41:25Jaime Luce: for you just so you could see them. This is how the Lord describes the way the children of Israel

41:30Jaime Luce: have dealt with God. Even though he has cared for them, every day made sure that they always had the

41:35Jaime Luce: food they needed every day, every supply was met, their shoes never wore out, their clothes never

41:40Jaime Luce: wore out, they were not. He provided everything. They had heat when they needed it, cool when they

41:45Jaime Luce: needed it, they had their enemies cut off from everything they need in God’s life. He says, they

41:50Jaime Luce: treat me with contempt, they despise me, they provoke me, they do not believe in me, they are

41:55Jaime Luce: disrespectful to me, there were versions that say that they spurn me, they reject me, and they anger

42:02Jaime Luce: me. Do you hear what our complaining mouths sound like to the Lord who has been so good to us?

42:10Jaime Luce: That’s what God hears. What God hears is you’re despising him, provoking him, treating him with

42:17Jaime Luce: contempt, you don’t believe in him, you’re disrespectful to him, you spurn him to anger,

42:22Jaime Luce: you reject him. Folks, we have to understand what we’re doing. We know that the power of life and

42:30Jaime Luce: death is in the tongue, and God is listening to what we’re saying. He hears your complaints. Even

42:37Jaime Luce: Moses, God told Moses, these people aren’t complaining against you, they’re complaining against me.

42:43Jaime Luce: They’re complaining against me. But let me remind you that God did not bring you this far

42:49Jaime Luce: to only bring you this far. God has not brought you this far to just leave you here.

42:56Jaime Luce: It’s time to break camp. Are you hearing me today? It’s time to break camp. Tear down what you need

43:02Jaime Luce: to tear down, disassemble what you need to disassemble, get out of self-pity, don’t make it

43:08Jaime Luce: about me versus them. It’s time that we leave this mountain. We’re not going to live at this mountain

43:15Jaime Luce: anymore. It’s time to move on. It’s time to face the giants that we have allowed to taunt us and

43:21Jaime Luce: hold us back from all that God has destined for us. It’s time to bring down the walls that have been

43:28Jaime Luce: built to keep us out of our promises. It’s time to join the Lord on his holy mission. We need to take

43:36Jaime Luce: off our shoes, the shoes of the flesh, and walk by the leading of the Holy Spirit. It’s time to stop

43:44Jaime Luce: complaining. So Joshua did what he was commanded. He led the children of Israel to march around

43:52Jaime Luce: those walls for six days and not say a word. But on the seventh day something changed. Let’s go to

43:59Jaime Luce: Joshua chapter six. I’m going to read verse 15-16 then drop to verse 20. Verse 15 says,

44:07Jaime Luce: on the seventh day the Israelites got up at dawn and marched around the town as they had done before.

44:16Jaime Luce: But this time they went around the town seven times. The seventh time around as the priest

44:25Jaime Luce: shouted the long blast on their horns, Joshua commanded the people shout for the Lord has given

44:34Jaime Luce: you the town. Let’s go to verse 20. When the people heard the sound of the ram’s horns,

44:42Jaime Luce: they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly the walls of Jericho collapsed and the Israelites

44:51Jaime Luce: charged straight into the town and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it with

44:59Jaime Luce: their swords. When I read that I about shouted myself right out of my chair,

45:05Jaime Luce: you and I have the sword of the Lord. The word of God is our sword. They destroyed,

45:13Jaime Luce: completely destroyed everything in it with their swords, with their swords. Your Bible is the sword

45:21Jaime Luce: of the Lord. You will completely destroy the enemy and bring down those walls. You will cut down

45:29Jaime Luce: every giant that stands in your way with the sword of the Lord in your hand. Do you hear me today?

45:39Jaime Luce: It’s time to break camp and move on. It doesn’t matter how big the walls are or how many giants

45:48Jaime Luce: there are that you still have to face. We are on a holy mission and God has a promise waiting for

45:55Jaime Luce: you. If we will do the work, God will bring the reward. Let’s pray. Father, we just thank you

46:06Jaime Luce: for the promises that you have made us, that you have not changed your mind and you are still the

46:13Jaime Luce: God of the Bible. You’re still the God of the heavens. You’re still the God of the impossible.

46:20Jaime Luce: You’re still the creator. You’re still the one who makes something out of nothing. You’re still the

46:25Jaime Luce: one who takes us through a red sea on dry ground. You are still our God and you have not changed.

46:33Jaime Luce: Neither has your promise for us. So today, Father, we make up our minds. We agree with you. We believe

46:42Jaime Luce: in you. We will not treat you disrespectfully. We will not scorn you. We will not, Father, treat

46:48Jaime Luce: you with disdain and complain against you. We will receive your commands and we are going to disassemble

46:56Jaime Luce: this camp. We’re going to tear down what needs to get torn down. We’re going to face those giants.

47:03Jaime Luce: We’re going to burst through those walls and we’re going to take our promises because you’re

47:09Jaime Luce: faithful. We’re on your side. Father, we give you all the glory and all the praise

47:16Jaime Luce: for where we’re going and what will take place. You will see to it that we have everything we need

47:22Jaime Luce: for it is not by might and it is not by power but by my spirit, sayeth the Lord. Thank you, Father.

47:29Jaime Luce: We give you the praise in advance. We wait for your instructions and your strategies but we

47:35Jaime Luce: are moving on. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen. Amen. Well, folks, thank you so much for joining me today.

47:45Jaime Luce: It was my joy to be with you and to just deliver from my heart what I really felt the Lord lay on

47:51Jaime Luce: my heart for you today. I hope you take it. I hope you make it yours. Spend some time in prayer. Get

47:57Jaime Luce: clarity. Let the Lord show up. He might even send an angel to bring instructions to you. Who knows?

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