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About The Episode:
- How to embrace our role in God’s Kingdom
- The stages of Christian faith growth
- How to seek the presence of the Father
- Why we don’t need money, we just need God
(0:00:00) – Interview With Yvonne Allen (4 Minutes)
This chapter features a conversation with Yvonne Allen, author of “Beyond the Veil.” Yvonne shares her background growing up in India and her journey to success in the United States. She discusses her Catholic upbringing and how the Holy Spirit played a pivotal role in her life. Yvonne also talks about her book and the importance of understanding our place in the kingdom of God. Listeners will gain insight into the power of the Holy Spirit and how it can impact and change our lives.
(0:04:21) – From McDonald’s to Ministry (6 Minutes)
This chapter explores the personal journey of the speaker, who worked at McDonald’s while in high school and eventually ended up in banking. Despite feeling unfulfilled, the speaker’s husband was called into full-time ministry and they moved to Rhode Island, where the speaker struggled with surrendering to God’s plan. However, after moving to Texas, the speaker’s heart was transformed by spending time with the Holy Spirit, leading to a change in thoughts, actions, and speech. The key takeaway is to spend time with the Holy Spirit and allow Him to transform us from within.
(0:10:27) – Christian Faith Growth Journey (11 Minutes)
This chapter explores the journey of personal growth and spiritual progression through the lens of the biblical symbolism of Solomon’s temple. We discuss the stages of being an outsider, an insider, a servant, a friend, a daughter, and ultimately a bride in our relationship with God. Each stage represents a deeper level of intimacy and understanding with God, and we must continually strive to grow and progress in our faith. We also touch on the significance of the torn veil in the temple, symbolizing the access we now have to the presence of God through Jesus. Listeners are encouraged to self-assess and identify where they are in their own spiritual journey, and to continue seeking a deeper relationship with God.
(0:21:05) – Importance of Testimony and Learning (5 Minutes)
This chapter explores the dynamics of relationships between married couples and children. We discuss how children follow instructions rather than making decisions, while married couples engage in discussions and reach agreements. The relationship between the children of Israel and Moses is examined, highlighting Moses’ direct relationship with God and the children’s obedience to his instructions. We emphasize the importance of being authentic and transparent in our testimonies, acknowledging that we are constantly growing and learning in our faith. Additionally, we touch on the honor given to those with gray hair, who possess wisdom and insight from their life experiences. Lastly, we emphasize the significance of learning from the mistakes and successes of those who came before us, as demonstrated in the Bible.
(0:26:08) – Finding Gratitude and Belonging in Life (16 Minutes)
This chapter explores the negative effects of comparing ourselves to others and the importance of gratitude. We hear personal testimonies of how God has guided the participants through difficult times and brought them to a place of growth and gratitude. We discuss the dangers of constantly comparing ourselves to others and feeling inadequate. One participant shares a childhood experience that taught her the importance of being content with what we have. The chapter concludes with an emphasis on the significance of gratitude and avoiding constant comparison.
(0:42:06) – Changing Definitions in the Kingdom (9 Minutes)
This chapter explores the topic of understanding our place in the kingdom of God. We hear about the speaker’s experience growing up in India and how she had to unlearn and relearn the true meaning of being a servant in the kingdom. The role of a pastor’s wife and the expectations that come with it are also discussed, emphasizing the importance of having a kingdom mindset in all aspects of life. The concept of the “friend zone” with God is introduced, where the speaker shares a personal conversation with the Holy Spirit about seeking His presence rather than just presenting a list of needs. The chapter concludes by highlighting the importance of understanding that we don’t need money, but rather, we just need God, as explored in the book “You Don’t Need Money, You Just Need God.
(0:51:11) – Deepening Friendship With the Holy Spirit (6 Minutes)
This chapter explores the deep and personal friendship between the host and the Holy Spirit. They share a moment of vulnerability and understanding when the Holy Spirit opens up about his feelings. The host also tells a humorous story about how the Holy Spirit answered her desire for more laughter and joy in their friendship. Listeners are encouraged to seek a deeper friendship with the Holy Spirit and reflect on whether they are truly being a friend to Him as well.
(0:57:21) – Experiencing God as Our Heavenly Father (10 Minutes)
This chapter explores the experience of knowing God as a loving and invested father, rather than a distant and benevolent being. The hosts share personal stories and reflections on how they have come to understand God as their heavenly father through daily interactions. They emphasize the importance of having a pivotal moment where one hears the father’s voice, solidifying the understanding of being a beloved child of God. The conversation highlights the significance of this personal relationship with God and how it transforms one’s understanding of their identity as a daughter or son of God.
(1:07:33) – Understanding the Bride of Christ (10 Minutes)
This chapter explores the transition from being a daughter of God to becoming His bride. We discuss how the Lord teaches us through His word and trains us in our relationship with Him. The importance of knowing God and seeking Him is emphasized, rather than just seeking knowledge about Him. Using the analogy of a man and his wife, we illustrate how simply knowing about someone does not give us authority or access to them. We emphasize the need to involve God in every aspect of our lives and to have a close relationship with Him. The concept of stewardship is also touched upon, highlighting how God trusts us to manage His house. Overall, this chapter highlights the importance of knowing and seeking God in order to fully embrace our role as His bride.
(1:17:57) – Encouragement and Promotion of a Book (6 Minutes)
This chapter explores the topic of having an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yvonne shares her personal experiences and growth in her relationship with the Holy Spirit, emphasizing the importance of being real and vulnerable with God. She highlights how God meets us where we are and discusses the blessings and rest that come from walking with the Holy Spirit. Yvonne encourages listeners to deepen their relationship with the Holy Spirit and recommends her book, “The Holy Spirit: My Best Friend and Yours,” as a helpful resource. The hosts also discuss the impact of sharing testimonies and how it can encourage others. They encourage listeners to invest in themselves and their relationship with the Holy Spirit.
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00:00 – Jaime Luce (Host)
If you’re a kingdom mind and you’re thinking, yeah, but that’s, this is my tool. I am crafting a tool to use for the kingdom. You know, whether that’s in funding the kingdom, whether that’s in making a way for the kingdom, we have the kingdom in mind. Absolutely it’s not. It’s not a mentality that says this is for me and mine and I’m just gonna grow what I have, and not that multiplying is a bad thing, but just there’s a certain mindset that comes along with Understanding your place in the kingdom. That’s correct. Welcome to the Jamie loose podcast. Thank you so much for joining me today.
00:39
It is my great pleasure today to share with you a friend of mine all the way over from South Lake Texas, yvonne Allen, and I will give you her bio in just a second, but I’m we’re gonna be talking about her book today and you’ll see I have it all marked up because this is a great book that you’re gonna want to get a hold of beyond the veil, and this is Yvonne’s it’s. It’s not just her story. This is a story about the Holy Spirit, and she wants to be able to share what she’s learned about the Holy Spirit, how he impacts and changes our lives, directs our lives blesses our lives, who he is to us, and it is going to be a blessing to you. I guarantee you’re gonna want to get a hold of this. We’ll let her, at the end, share with you how you can get a hold of a copy yourself. I’ve read it from cover to cover, left her a fantastic review because it’s worth it and we’re the habit, and so let me give you some information about her before I let her start to talk to you.
01:38
But Yvonne Allen is an accomplished Christian business woman with a diverse background. Originally, she’s from middle-class India. She has built her success through a deep sense of purpose and dedication. Yvonne has consistently excelled in managing significant assets and resources. We’ll talk about some of that today. She currently oversees a multimillion dollar real estate portfolio spanning the United States and plays a pivotal role in the family offices and operations. With over two and a half decades of experience in mortgage lending, yvonne has positively impacted numerous lives through her Experience in finance and expertise. She holds the position of chief financial officer at AFT commercial, where she continues to excel in her field, and she resides in Southlake, texas, with her husband, paul, who’s also written the book that’s just come out, and they are proud parents of two married children and now have the, who now have children of their own, whom I got to meet, that grand baby, so anyway, welcome into the studio.
02:39 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Thank you, I’m here today. It’s a pleasure and honor actually.
02:45 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Oh well, you are a busy woman, lots to do, so I do count it an honor and a privilege that you’ve taken time to do this with us today to talk about your book. I wanted to start by first just letting you tell us a little bit about who you are and a little bit about your background, because part of that background leads into this story that you’ve written for us.
03:04 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
That’s right. So I grew up in, or I was born in, mumbai, india, and I grew up in a Catholic family and we, we basically just and in the beginning of the book it tells you about a store as my story of how I grew up, where I went to school and my parents and what they did and their background. So they were from a very poor family. Both both my parents and we migrated to Montreal, canada, when I was 14 years old and then it goes into Basically my mindset and how I felt like I was an outsider because didn’t belong in Montreal, and then how the Holy Spirit just started to work in my life and through my aunts and my parents and my mom, how just pointing out, basically pointing to Jesus and Kind of got born again, but not really, you know, they’re sitting on the fence kind of a thing. Or I should say born again but not totally surrendered, yes. And so it shows a little bit of that, speaks to that and how Basically I thought success to me was if I could buy anything without looking at the price tag, because we grew up poor. So just work towards that.
04:21
Worked at McDonald’s. It took every shift I could get. I Mean wasn’t school, high school full-time, but also working at McDonald’s full-time. And when I was passed on for promotion I was like I got to get out of here. But the Lord, the Lord, was so gracious to me and my dad was like get a job first before you leave the other job. And all of us worked and we had to work and Ended up in banking and even there the Lord has been really merciful and gracious. You know, when you don’t know what you’re doing and just Focused on something else, the Lord is still back there and Holy Spirit still pursuing. Yes, and so God-married to Paul we. I don’t want to give away a lot of the story and read it in the book, so I’m kind of like picking points or yeah.
05:11
Just how I met Paul. Well, you were part of the same youth group in church and actually there was a point I had to decide should I stay in the Catholic Church or should I join the Pentecostal Church and I just thought the other one was more fun. You know it was not.
05:30 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Theological debate.
05:33 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
At 15. You’re not thinking what doctrine is right or wrong? Yes, which one’s more fun, right, where are the guys you know? So that’s how I picked, basically, and which is so bad.
05:51
As you said, god used it, so Used it, and no matter where you are, god will always use that if your Intent is to please him and and if you have a pure heart. So Even though mine wasn’t there yet and not fully surrendered by my, but my intent was to please him but also please my parents technically. And so Picked, picked, the Pentecostal Church. That’s where we, paul and myself, met at young adults group. We joke, we. I say I was young and he was the adult as we got married. We moved to, so this was all in Montreal, canada, and then a God called Paul into full-time Bible college ministry and so we moved to Rhode Island, texas, where he studied on a TN. He was on a TN visa, I was dependent on his visa and he went to Bible college and I tried to get a job and in the meantime Just babysat, you know, did whatever it took, looked well at that time. You look through the pages right there.
06:56 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Right.
06:59 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
What do you call those ads? Or the listings, or the sure, the classified ads? That’s right. Yeah, who needed, you know, somebody like a cash job or babysitting or training or whatever it took. And that’s what we did. And then, when we were opening up a bank account at the local bank in Rhode Island, they said, oh, what do you do? And I said, oh, I just graduated, have a job at the bank. And they said, oh, you can apply here. And so that’s how it started and and it’s in the book too how I miraculously got my visa, how I miraculously, every single time was a Red Sea parting moment and big, big miracles.
07:38
You know where, to a certain degree, I was also naive and when the Lord provided the social security number and Every single thing he made a way for. And I say, when the Lord says come, and he invites you, he kind of provides everything for you. Yes, he makes the way. And if you kind of go in like a child and he says, if you come into the kingdom as a child and to a certain degree a child is not bothered about the nitty gritty’s Right, details and right and if you’re just naive as a child, and If your daddy said do it. You just do it, and right got you. And that’s what happened to us when we came down to Rhode Island and the Lord provide for the insurance. I was pregnant with Joshua, our firstborn at that time, and we didn’t know if it was going to be covered or if we had to pay out of pocket. And so all of that’s in the book. It’s detailed out of how the Lord just provided for every, every Like, every detail he took care of.
08:37
Yes, but I still wasn’t fully surrendered and Paul went through bible college and he ended up being a pastor at this church and they would say, oh, are you the pastor’s wife?
08:53
Pastors, wives were those who played the piano, you know yeah took care of the woman’s ministry and Knew their bible really well and I was just so not that person. I was so focused on the career and banking and trying to be top banker and all of that stuff, um, so Paul could focus on ministry. It was almost like there was sacred and secular and I had that divide where now I don’t think like that. Everything that we do, everything is sacred and unto and worship unto the Lord, right and so, um, but God was so patient I mean, he was extremely, extremely patient and, um, once we moved a long story short, I can he read through all the stuff in the book.
09:39
We, when we moved to Texas, the Lord started really working on my heart and I, the more time I spent with Holy Spirit, the more time he started transforming and renewing my mind and I was thinking differently, acting differently, speaking differently. Not Not I, I wasn’t trying to, it was just is, yeah, so, uh, that’s the best part. So if, if I could say one thing on the book is like, spend time with the Holy Spirit and the things you think are hard to change Automatically changes and you don’t even know it’s changed and you just think differently, you speak differently, you smell it, act differently, and that’s the best part. You’re not trying to do something You’re not trying to accomplish by your own strength. He does it for you and he gives you the desires to do it. Amen. I’m not sure if all of that answer was.
10:29 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, no, okay, so what we’ll do is then I want to take that, because you started to say in the beginning about how you felt like an outsider, and I want to give people kind of an idea in the book On page three. Of course, this is in your the um Table of contents as well, but you are outlining in the book not just your story. You’re taking everybody through this journey of sequence when you start as you feel like an outsider, kind of like you were saying that you know you’re, you’re in this place, you feel like you don’t belong here. Why am I in Canada? I’m from Mumbai and, and my parents are Catholic, but now I’m attending a, a Pentecostal church, and you know, and all these different things happening, trying to find your way, and you explain all of that in the book. But you take us through this process, and I wanted to read this from page three because I thought this was so good. People understand, though you are taking them through this natural sequence, this in your life, and how you have written the book is is a picture of the um, the Solomon’s temple, and the process that we would go through, the steps we take, the, the progression that takes place, and you’ve, you’ve married those two things together. So I want to read that, sure?
11:51
Well, you go from outsider, which is the temple, had Solomon’s porch or the court of the Gentiles, as far as those outside the faith could go. So this was that limited space outside, not even entering into a gate. It’s, it’s a place. You can’t come into those gates, you don’t belong in these gates. You’re you’re on the outside. Then you move to the insider, where even this isn’t all the way in, but you’ve made it into this first place. So, through the beautiful gate which is Jesus, for us as those who are saved Christians, you gained access to the outer court. So, even though you’re inside, you’re not inside inside yet. That’s right inside the first gate, but there’s more to go. Then you move from being an insider to a servant, which is another gate that led you through to the inner court.
12:41
So we’re making progress here and past the brazen altar, a sacred place where priests served, offering sacrifices and gifts to God. So this really is. I love this because the picture is that in our lives we go through these places of being completely. This is all unknown to us, this is all foreign to us. We don’t understand any of this. Then we kind of come in and realize, okay, I like this, I want to be a part of this. I’ve I’ve made that decision to come in the gate. Now I realize, oh, okay, this requires something of me.
13:14 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
There’s a.
13:16 – Jaime Luce (Host)
There’s a requirement, then you move to friend and that, you said 12 steps, brought you into the holy place, a place of limited access. I love this and Representing greater intimacy. So there’s a change going on in relationship. At this point, yes, something’s required of me, but my heart is involved, my motives are involved, my desires are involved. Then you go to and I love this from being a friend to a daughter.
13:47
Once inside the holy place, you encountered the candlestick symbolizing light, knowledge and guidance, the table of shoe bread symbolizing provision and miracles, and the altar of incense symbolizing prayer. Each article in the holy place was filled with meaning and purpose and those who had access to these had a special relationship with God. So now we’re talking about the set-apart ones. They they know there’s a job they have to do. It’s not just the requirements of sacrifice. These are people who intimately have jobs. Nobody else has. So we’re. You know. You can see this beautiful progression and then you take us to being the bride.
14:29
Lastly, a thick veil Separating the holy place from the holy of holies. Only the high priest was permitted entrance past the veil To encounter the presence of God and approach the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat when the shekinah glory of God appeared. Inside the ark was a golden jar of man representing God’s goodness, grace and enduring faithfulness. Aaron’s rod that budded, representing Jesus and his eternal priestly authority, and the tablets of law Symbolizing the law giver himself. That veil was a barrier, a protection to keep those from the intimacy they were not authorized to experience when Jesus came to the earth and was crucified. That thick, heavy veil of the temple was torn in half, split top to bottom, and access to the father and his complete presence was granted forever. So I love that. These are wonderful Symbolisms of our growing relationship with the Lord. I had just In one of the the previous podcasts that I did I was talking about that that we are always, we have to be growing you.
15:44
There is no such thing as stagnancy. I don’t get to pick a place and say that’s good enough and sit there, because what will happen is Naturally, regression takes place. There is no such thing as staying. That’s right. Anything that God created on earth, it’s either growing or dying. There’s two things you can do. So I love this that you have shown through the, not just in your. This is your personal experience, your personal story, but at the same time. This is a Christian’s progression. We should, we need to be growing and we can find ourselves in these places as the and that’s what I love too, is if, if those who get a hold of this book, you can realize oh I, this is where I’m at. It’s a good self-assessment To to recognize if I’m here, they’re still there, there’s still something I’m reaching for. You know that that I’m able to attain, and with intimacy. There’s no One day Okay, I now know it all, everything there is to know about you, I, and there’s just nothing else to learn and nothing more to explore. That doesn’t happen.
16:54 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So we’re always on this journey and that’s the best part, because there’s so much to learn and grow and and it’s a constant Increase of revelation and a constant and just different facets of what he shows us, which is which is actually exciting. It is not boring.
17:15
Right one of the things that usually, for those that are not into, you know, oh, I don’t know about the tabernacle and Solomon’s Poetry to the temple and this, and that what I also bring it down to in a very kind of like Uh, layman’s terms, in to say is like, think of yourself as like even being outside, and your, your, uh, what do you call it? Hired as a servant, and now you come into the house and go out of the house. You know, people have servants, some don’t, some do as maids or whatever. They have maids and and you’re like okay, you have access to the house, you go in and out, you help Set the table, but you don’t sit at the table.
17:56
Yes, and as friends, though, you get to sit at the table and you get to enjoy, and you enjoy the conversations, and and then, but God wants more than friends, right? Right, daughters have access to the fridge. You open the fridge, take whatever you want. Yes, you have a last name, you have a house, you have a piece of the inheritance, but he’s coming back for a bride with. The bride has it all she owns it out.
18:19
She’s joined air with Jesus and this and she has, like I call she has the man, she has the intimacy like even as kids. You don’t get to go into the intimate part, right, right, you have. You can’t have access to intimacy in a sense. I mean you have Uh a relationship and you learn so much more and you can open the fridge and have access to it, but literally Uh, true intimacy comes when you like, spend time with them and just, you know, for those who are married, you know that, yes, like, if you’re or courting or dating, you come in and out of the house right.
18:54
To the table right. If you have a really good relationship, you can open the fridge and help yourself to whatever right. Once you’re married, it’s totally different. Yes, you get you. You get to decide what goes in the fridge.
19:05 – Jaime Luce (Host)
How to read the house.
19:07 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Yes, you get everything you get to decide together and so, um, that kind of is on a more like you know, basic terms where people can actually grasp that, okay, there’s so much more. Where am I? Am I just a, a servant, coming in and doing what I need to do, you know, helping out in the church and just doing what I’m taking care of the kids in the kids ministry, or just what am I doing? I’m just or doing right and not just being and resting or spending time with the king or with him and, uh, as friends, you get to Enjoy the secrets and there’s certain things you get to know. You know you get to kind of sometimes be on the family secrets.
19:47 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yeah, yeah.
19:48 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
I said the daughters. You’ve been there, you know it, you hear it all the time, but literally the bride Is where, um, what I usually also say is where the bride. If you spend time and are intimate, then you get impregnated with the seed of the holy spirit and then that’s his fruit that you actually bring out. So it’s not our fruit, it’s a fruit of the spirit and it’s his fruit.
20:15
But you can’t be impregnated if you’re not intimate with him, if you’re not spending time with him, and if you’re trying to produce fruit on your own, you get tired. Been there, done that, you try to quote the scriptures, what you’ve heard, and then you’re like wait a second.
20:35
When you actually go to read the scripture that you’ve been quoting forever, you’re like wait, that doesn’t even make sense because it’s taken out of context. And then you start learning more and more things and so, as the bride, you kind of get to be very involved and take that authority and the power that he’s given and walk in it. It’s a different kind of knowing.
20:54 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, it is totally, and I like that analogy a lot because and when we talk specifically about the pride, I’m going to say one thing for when we go there to the bride’s section. But there is a, if you’re looking at the difference between the married couple versus the children, the access that children have is that they don’t make the decisions. That’s right. They don’t. They obey the instructions, but they don’t. They’re not involved in the conversation that dictates those things that they’re following. That’s right. Look at the difference between even the children of Israel versus Moses. Moses went and had that right, yes.
21:37
They had the discussions, they had the wait, a minute, I mean. And Moses was real. He says if these people are going to be like this, kill me now. You’re not going to help me, just kill me now. I don’t know. I mean, he was honest, he said what he was feeling, you know, and and yet God would say, okay, yes, that’s okay, or you know what. You really messed up right there. And they would have real conversations. There were consequences to the things that you know. This matters.
22:03
They would take that to the children. They’re called the children of Israel and they were to the children and then express to them what they were to do. And then they were like my husband and I and our relationship we don’t have. He’s not disciplining me, that’s right, I’m the bride. We might have discussions and we have to come to agreement and we have to be in unity, but we’re not disciplining one another. Now, that’s right, discipline us, but we’re not disciplining one another. We discipline our children. And so the children of Israel had this partial relationship.
22:44
And what’s interesting too, now, at the very end of the book, you do give invitation, you explain invitation, and there’s something I want to read about that later. But when they were first taken into the wilderness, they had that opportunity. God said bring them up here, I’m going to talk to them. That’s right. They didn’t want it. They were terrified of the responsibility of and the fear of God because they thought they were going to die. I mean, they just love it, they’re going to die, but they didn’t want that. They didn’t want the risk of what that was going to cost them.
23:18
Yeah, to have that relationship and I love because we’ll get there, because that was part of your story is that realizing, okay, I’m on this side, not that side, and coming to the knowledge that I that’s where I really do want to go. And God took you through. I love all the stories you give, so many you. You are very transparent your stories. I loved them Because when someone’s real, then you can identify. I can’t identify with somebody who gets it right all the time, who never makes mistakes, who never you know, who just knows how to do it and gets it done. You know, some of us stumble a little bit along the way. Some of us edited testimony that’s yes.
24:00
You give your unedited testimony.
24:02 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
There is there. There is the wrong aspect to it because nobody is born knowing everything.
24:08 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Right.
24:08 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Nobody knows everything and it constantly growing. Yes, and even what you know now, when you look back five years or 10 years, you’re thinking oh my goodness, I had it so wrong.
24:17
And even five years from now, you know, we’ll have more revelation and we’ll have more knowing, knowing, like, oh my goodness, this is how I was thinking, but it’s just so different. It’s. It’s literally from glory to glory. And then the past glories are like the Lord actually blesses us with what we can handle now, yes, the revelation that we can handle now. So when I was going through this, I didn’t see it that way. You know, I didn’t see this stage, and the more I began to look at my life and the more I began to, it just unveiled, slowly, basically.
24:46 – Jaime Luce (Host)
And I think that’s the way it is for for most of us.
24:49
For all of us. Yeah, you know it’s a, because I was even thinking we were. My husband and I have been joking a lot lately because of our age and knowing, okay, you know how much time do we have left and what are we going to get done? And we’ve got to, you know, make all these plans and and he’s worse about it than I am but we, we make these jokes back and forth and in that, in that joking though, you come to realize the Bible was intentional and correct in talking about the honor that’s given to those with the gray hair because they really have lived.
25:21
Now, gray hair doesn’t necessarily mean wisdom, however. Those who are pursuing the Lord and really growing in his have wisdom to bestow about these journeys. We turn around and we look back and we say this is what we saw. I mean, that’s why we read the Bible, right, that’s right. We look at the path that these people took and we’re able to learn from the mistakes they made, from the things they got right, from the things that God expected and what he, how he responds to those, how he responds to us, what you know, what our expectations are. This is the. This is why, in Revelation, we learned that it you overcome by the lamp by the lamp in the word of your testimony.
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This is a testimony, yes, it’s a testimony, and people can overcome. We share our testimonies. We talk about what God has done how he grew us, how he pulled us through, how he rescued us, how he set us in a straight path and brought our mountains down and our crooked places are straight and our rocky places are smooth. I mean, he did all that while we’re walking that out. I did an interview the other day and we were talking about how the the roads that we take can. Many times we feel like David. We recognize that we associate with him in this. And when he said that I walked through the valley of the shadow of death and we tend to think that if I’ve come up upon this death valley, that that means I’ve done something wrong, or I’m responsible to somehow do something to get out of here, or this is torment and now I’m stuck here. I mean we get all these ideas about that valley, but the truth is that he goes with us through that valley. That’s not our intended place, that’s not our final place, that’s not our, our destination. You know we are. We are given instructions to grow, because he’s taking us somewhere. He’s taking us to our promise. He’s taking us to the plan he has for us. That’s right. That’s right. So we don’t have to dread, but we can. We can learn along the way and know that he’s pulling us along.
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So let’s look at for a minute in your section of Outsider Okay, I’m looking at page 25. Yeah, and you’ve. You’re telling the story of how you are not comparing, but comparing yourself to a. You see, a boy who is much worse conditioned than what in fact, you feel, and most children feel this way, because we didn’t have much growing up, even though we grew up here. It was a struggle.
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It was handing out, you know, working for each paycheck and stretching each dollar, and and so in that mindset though, as a child, that’s just your normal you don’t think anything about it until you begin, as you grow, to see other things and begin to make those mental comparisons, and you make this statement and you say why? Or you feel you hear this. This is a statement. You feel you hear why him and not you? That’s right. And so I want you to kind of talk about your mindset at this time, because I think that this is a good. This is a good way for us to begin looking where we begin asking questions and we begin, you know looking at where we’re at right now and making some assessments about that.
29:02 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So what happened was usually. You start making that comparison Like if you don’t know what you don’t know, then you don’t. You don’t think that you’re missing something, right?
29:12
So, until my cousins came and visited my, our house, our little apartment, and said where’s your room? I didn’t realize that I was missing a room. A room, yeah. And so once they left, I’m thinking, okay, these, these cousins of mine, they get to travel, they get to stay in hotels and, you know, eat all these fancy foods. And then I’m thinking, lord, why them? Why were they born in that family? And why not me? Why wasn’t I born in that family? Why am I not living in Canada? Why am I not living in their house and have a room? And why do I have only this little space, you know, for my clothes, for my books? And so, as as I was looking out the window and just thinking those thoughts, I see this naked kid and that’s like normal, like you see those around, like you saw those look like, look at me talking.
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You see those around, you see these little babies or these kids walking around naked or no slippers or no shoes or no shirts. And it was normal until so. I’m thinking those. And then all of a sudden I see this child walks, walks. You know. I’m looking from a third, third floor or a second floor window out there and he’s walking out, like no adult, around, just like random, like walking. And then all of a sudden I thought, right after I thought, why? Why, why them and not me? This, why him and not you? So I was like, oh my gosh, I don’t want to be him.
30:37
Yes, I thought like I just be grateful for what I have I’m inside of this apartment, I’m warm, I’m, I’m clothed, I have parents that love me, they provide for me, I go to a great school, and so at that point in time I was just grateful for the blessings that I have and not looking at what I’m lacking Right and just learning in that. And then, you know, recently I found actually not recently, you know a year ago. So I found the scripture that says contentment with godliness is great profit. Sometimes in this environment or in this culture, especially the Western culture, like always comparing with your neighbors or something, you’re always thinking of what you’re lacking. Instead of thinking of what do we usually have? What’s in my hands, that the Lord’s given me and blessed me? And so since then I’ve really tried to develop a like if you look at my journal, just a whole like gratefulness, thankfulness and just contentment for what he’s done and what he’s doing, not for what he’s not doing and what he’s not doing Right, right, exactly, exactly.
31:42 – Jaime Luce (Host)
I think it puts you in a very interesting place, because you’re, on the one hand, you’re thinking, okay, I feel less than, all of a sudden, when I didn’t, and then the Lord, in his faithfulness, then shows you no, no, no, no, honey, you’re not less than. And yet, at the same time, it birthed in you this desire to grow from the place you were at. Yes, so it plays a couple of roles in our life. We don’t want to allow discontentment.
32:14
Of course, those that compare themselves amongst themselves are not wise. It’s your story is different for so many reasons than the next person that there’s no way you can compare yourself to that person. And, on top of it, god has designed you uniquely for a very unique purpose, and neither one of you can fulfill the other’s purpose. So it’s just foolishness to do it. However, we can look at like, like we were talking about the children of Israel, I can look at the fact that Moses has access, and there’s something inherently that I desire about that. That desire is not wrong. The only time our desire is wrong is when it’s with a dark heart of envy or covetousness, yes, where we’re angry that someone else has I desire to take away from you so that I can have those mindsets are completely contrary to God. But to grow is in your nature. God gave it to you.
33:15 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
That’s right, that’s right.
33:17 – Jaime Luce (Host)
So when all of a sudden you see something that spurs you on to multiply, you know we don’t want to ignore that, we don’t want to call that sin or bad, no, we just have to understand it’s the motive of the heart, that’s, that’s really what you know, the who and who are we doing it for that many times is our journey where we realize, okay, am I doing this for me or am I doing this for the Lord? And that that becomes our little, our little caveat there. But you go from this outsider place and you make a transition from feeling like completely outside to now we’ve progressed a little, now we’re an insider. Can you, can you give me a little bit of what that felt like to you, what, maybe? And if a story, if one, if any particular story of this comes to mind, you can use that. But what was the feeling? Or? Or what did you do different? Or what caused that outer to become inside?
34:22 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So there’s a couple of stories, so one of one of them where I I was doing so well in banking and I felt like they needed me, so you know how I bought it. This is an old term, pager.
34:38
Yes, you’re just like you have access to me because you love me so much and you want me there every time that I’m going to buy a pager and you can call me anytime and I’m going to be there, yeah, so that whole it kind of actually is a chicken and egg thing, because somebody you feel somebody loves you and wants you, so you even more, your mindset changes and you make yourself even more available and so they want you even more, and then it’s a constant, it’s like a mindset. And then there was Paul, who I met during that season in our youth group, and so we started courting and he you know the way he loved on me and when we got married during that season too, it was. I never felt as if I belonged anywhere. And now I belong. Somebody loves me for who I am. He finds me beautiful, was just like my parents. They grew up and I think it might be that generation actually that they did not get a lot of verbal affirmation and verbal I love user hugs and things like that.
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And so because they didn’t receive it, they didn’t know how to get that, and so with Paul, it felt like just like a breath of fresh air. But I had to get used to it. I had to get used to receiving the I love you and you’re beautiful, because I before I, you know, when he first started, I’d be like what’s the catch, like what does?
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he want, I don’t want anything, I’m just telling you that I love you and that you’re beautiful. And then it really sunk in when I had this. I had a little like I bumped into the guy in front of me, like a little tiny car accident, and the front of the car was a bit damaged. And I asked and I call Paul and go here. I just had this and Paul was like I don’t care about the car, are you okay? And so that was even. You know, it was just instances, different instances that kept reaffirming no, you belong here, don’t worry about what happens or what you do. It’s not what you’re doing or what you didn’t do, or the accident. No, are you okay, we love you, you’re loved, and not what your performance, and so that just kind of, with many little incidents, instances, in this case kind of ratified the yes, you belong here, you’re in, yes, nothing that you can do will get you out, kind of a thing.
37:03 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, that’s so good Because that’s a picture of God’s unconditional love for us. That’s right. That is the change from being an outsider to an insider, and you said it. The key thing was you didn’t know how and had to learn how to receive. That’s right. That is salvation. So many don’t understand that and they can’t comprehend that somebody would love me in my sinful, dirty, wretched condition and die in my place. I mean the thought of receiving. For some it’s very hard to move from that outsider to being an insider, to actually be somebody who doesn’t know Christ, doesn’t have relationship and then receives salvation. That’s a huge, it is.
37:52 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
It’s a huge feat because for a lot of, especially if you have an orphan spirit, it’s hard to receive something that you didn’t have to work for or earn. Yes, and so when you come to this spot where you’re like Jesus did this for you and he gives it to you freely, yes, so, like, what do I need to do to? Like, take it Like it’s almost right?
38:14
Something’s not right and when you’re raised like we were raised in this Indian culture where if somebody did something for you you have to kind of like pay them back or do something. Or they give you a gift, you got to give them a gift, or they invited you to dinner, you got to invite them for this. So it’s like the constant where you can’t just receive and not reciprocate, right, it’s so different. So when you receive salvation, when Jesus died for you, you can’t pay that back. There’s nothing you can do.
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Nothing you can do, so it’s like no matter what it’s like, oh no, it’s okay, like he’s done this for me as a gift and I can just receive it, and he does not expect anything from you, at least in that beginning, when you’re a bride. He expects you to walk in the authority, in the power he’s given.
38:56 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes.
38:56 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Yes, but in this not amateur, but this right in the very beginning stage of a child or as you come in, you know the kingdom. Exactly yeah. As a baby, you’re not expected to do anything like my grandchild we love him. He’s not expected to do anything.
39:12 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes.
39:12 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Every single thing is done for him.
39:14 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes.
39:15 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Yes, every single thing. Food’s been brought to him, he’s been bathed, he’s been clothed, every single thing is done for him, and as a baby Christian, you can expect that, like, everything will be done for you. Yes, and it’s his pleasure to do it for us. Yes, yes, and it was a great season where you’re just loved on because you’re part of the family. You’re a child, you’re loved, you know you don’t have to do anything.
39:40 – Jaime Luce (Host)
And what’s amazing, too, is he takes the responsibility of then teaching us when we’re ready, that’s right, instead of us thinking like it’s that, I’ve got to earn it, I’ve got to, there’s something I can do, there’s I have to. We want to serve him, but it’s not. It’s not anything I could ever do on my own. Anyway, that’s right. If he doesn’t do it, it doesn’t get done, so it has to be through him period.
40:10 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
That’s right. So I love this quote from Bill Johnson. Actually, he says Jesus is not going to pay for sandwiches he didn’t order. I love that quote. So it’s like you know, we try to do stuff and think that we’re pleasing him. We didn’t ask for it.
40:25 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, yes, and that’s that’s an interesting thing too, because we think it in giving to the Lord, there is beauty in giving to him, whatever it is that we’re just desiring to bestow on him, whether that’s in worship or sacrifice or whatever that we’re doing. There were offerings that were just thanks. Thanks offerings, that’s right Give to the Lord. And yet, if I think at all in that that I have now earned something by doing that, I’ve changed that gift. It’s no longer a gift, it’s it’s. I’m trying to satisfy something in me, whether that’s to manipulate him or to somehow then realize I’ve not fully accepted his gift. I’m still operating as if he has not truly loved me, that I’m having to earn this love, so okay.
41:23
So we go from being an outsider to an insider. Now there’s this growth process that has started and you move into the servant mentality and there’s a what part do I want to bring out in this? I think this is where you’re learning in the marriage, in Paul’s ministry, and that’s right Things that are going on. So maybe take us into where you realized there was a place for you and what servanthood looked like for you.
42:05 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So growing up in India, the servants we had servants in our home and they kind of did all the cleaning and the you know, the jobs that nobody wanted to do in a certain time so dirty work. That’s exactly. And so you have this mentality like, oh, if I’m called to be a servant, and we’re like, oh, what do I have to do? Clean toilets and, you know, do the dishes, and the fun part is in making the mess or the cooking. But who? Nobody wants to clean the dishes after you know right Right.
42:34
And so I had to unlearn and relearn that being a servant in the kingdom of God, it’s oh, having a servant’s heart. And even as a bride you have to have a servant’s heart, right, because Jesus came as a servant, he came to serve and so he came to serve.
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and we have to have a servant’s heart but not be servant mentality kind of a thing, and so I had the wrong mentality, I had the wrong definitions and I had to unlearn and relearn what it meant Like for Joshua in the Bible, where he kneels down before the angel and he says you know, and he was a huge, he was a general. Yeah, he goes, what? What do you want the servant to do? And, and I was. And that actually caught me because I was like wow. And then Jesus came as a servant and served and washed the disciples feet and I’m like wow.
43:19
So he started bringing a, highlighting things where he’s like what I define as a servant and a servant’s heart is not what your definition is. So that changed. And then being a pastor’s wife, where I used to say, oh, I’m a wife of a pastor and not the pastor’s wife, and just in that, you know what the expectations are of a pastor’s wife. And it’s technically sometimes the Western culture or the Christianese, you know, they expect certain things and because it’s mainstream, because it’s everybody thinking that way, we just kind of follow suit and the Lord’s like, no, no, you know, I’m calling you in this lane and ministry and what it looks like, and even ministry and ministering is serving Right, You’re ministering to something it’s not, it’s not necessarily the pulpit, Even even the in the nursery, the ministry to the kids Right, and so it. So that kind of changing of definition was huge. That’s good, and changing of mindset and heart.
44:27 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, absolutely. You know, on page 68, you said I no longer felt like an outsider, and now I was even more than an insider. I was a valued member of the team, I was a servant in the kingdom, and that really is what you’re saying. That that meant that, understanding, I have a place in the kingdom, my service is in the kingdom, but it’s not all going to be from a pulpit or doing the things that I may not be called to. That Many women I loved for the now that I’m doing this podcast, but for the bulk of my life, I was at home raising children, doing that as what God called me to do.
45:10
You know, I served in church. I served in ministries in the church, but my first and foremost call was to raise the children. It’s like so. There were, there were seasons. There were times when things shifted. There were times when I had more time less time, more energy, less energy.
45:26
You know things that I even feel so much like the identify with what Jeremiah when he said there was a fire shut up in my bones. There were times when there were things that were burning in me and and you can know what God is prompting in you based off of what he sets on fire in you. There are things that burn in you, godly things or marketplace things. That’s right. People who are in the kingdom when they, when they’re thinking marketplace, if you’re kingdom minded, you’re thinking, yeah, but that’s, this is my tool. I am crafting a tool to use for the kingdom. You know, whether that’s in funding the kingdom, whether that’s in making a way for the kingdom, we have the kingdom in mind, absolutely. It’s not. It’s not a mentality that says this is for me and mine and I’m just going to grow what I have, and not that multiplying is a bad thing, but just there’s a certain mindset that comes along with understanding your place in the kingdom. That’s correct.
46:28 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So good, so good. You should write something. I’m like mind that sounds good, that should have been in the book.
46:40 – Jaime Luce (Host)
I well, I guess maybe mine was sort of it, sort of in my book, I, maybe some of it was in there. So it’s beautiful. I love the, I love these transitions and and and the progressions that you’ve made. Okay, so let’s move over to the friend zone I have several things highlighted all through here.
47:03
So let’s look at page 83. And I thought this was really cool. I just like this so we can. We’ll take the story, but then we’ll we’ll go wherever the Holy Spirit would like to go with it. But I have highlighted and this is in quotes, on the middle of 83. Yeah, vaughn, this is you speaking to the Lord, this is Holy Spirit and you having a conversation. Yvonne, why have you come to me with a list? Hi, my name is Jamie loose.
47:36
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48:34
Do you go meet your other friends with lists? When I read that, I grabbed my highlighter and like, oh my gosh, I love this. This is so true. This is so good, because we tend to. In our endeavor, which is what you were doing growing in your relationship with the Lord, having this beautiful communion with him, growing and learning so much about the changes in mentality that he’s taking you through and the new mindsets and the new desires and all of those things, and yet we get in this pattern. Christians do this. We think I put in my prayer time, but all we did was go vomit our list of honeydews to the Lord that we expect him to do for us. You know, and and that’s not what any marriage counselor would tell you that’s not how you foster intimacy or relationship.
49:32 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
If your neighbor kept coming to your house. Can I borrow this? Can I borrow that constantly, without even coming to chat or have tea with you? Once you know like forget it, not even opening the door next time.
49:42 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, so true. When, when only, if something is only ever expected of you and you never reap the benefits of that relationship, then how can we call that a friendship? What is that?
49:53 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
And I tell you when you read that, it’s when Holy Spirit speaks to you, right? No matter what it’s, that line is always like alive. So when you read that, it pierced me again. You know it’s like the audible voice of God.
50:07
Not that I go to him with lists anymore but, still, it’s still alive for me and, my goodness, I’m almost carrying up here because that was such a pivotal moment in my life and because I didn’t like mooters, and so it almost seemed like I was mootin off of him. And you know just a one way and and he speaks to you in your own language, right, and what makes sense to you. And so when he said that to me, I’ll tell you, because I didn’t want to, you know, but I was doing it, whether it was intentional or unknowingly or through ignorance or whatever, but it still was being done, right. And so when he said that to me, I knew exactly what he was talking about and he, he, it was that sword that just cuts between spirit and soul. And and, oh, my goodness, I weaved that day and our relationship changed that day. It was like a pivotal moment and, wow, it still holds, very, very. It still holds that weight. You know, when you spoke it, when you read it out, it still holds that weight.
51:11 – Jaime Luce (Host)
So so take us there, take us into that moment then, because, if that is still so impactful to you, what were you feeling in that moment of understanding what he was feeling? Because you’re going from it’s a new understanding of he’s actually being very intimate with you telling you. This is how this feels to me, iman, can you let, can, can I trust you with this? I’m telling you this, and what you’re going to do with this information I’m giving you?
51:42 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
This is very personal and at that time, I mean you know you’re only your true, trusted, deep friends. You actually are vulnerable, like if you don’t have. If you have a superficial relationship with someone, if something bothers you, you’ll just say I forget, I’m not even going to bring it up because it’s superficial. If it’s a deep relationship, that and it’s a long relationship and you want the relationship to continue forever, you’re actually going to say something of something that bothers you. You know I’m not going to live with a friend or your spouse or whoever, but something that bothers you continue. You’re going to bring it up. And it was very touching that he brought it up and for me I kind of looked at it like, oh my goodness, he’s a person and I just heard him Because he’s not somebody out there, the Holy Spirit there or the Holy Spirit inside of you somewhere. He literally, because I was sitting at I still remember that space at Central Market Coffee Shop there where he is, and I was there and I still remember like, like, as if he was in front of me when he said that and looking deep into my soul, oh my goodness, if I close my eyes it takes me back over there and remember it and I was just so touched that he would bring it up. He would say something as deep and vulnerable, like and like Yvonne, I want to take us both somewhere, but I, like you can’t treat me like this. Yes, and at that time, at that point, I said you know, holy Spirit, I’m not going to come to you with this anymore and if you don’t answer one other single prayer of mine, I’m totally happy with it. Like you don’t have, we’re friends.
53:23
And then the three lines that he mentioned after, right after that, actually I want to be friends, I want you to be my friend, I want me to be your friend was also so significant for me. I highlighted those two. And it’s so funny that he speaks our language. Right, he had to say it in these, in these three lines, because there was a friend that I had that I that she used to call me her friend, but I would always joke and say, but I’m not really her friend. You know, she called me and she like it was just a weird thing. Yeah, sometimes we want to be people’s friends but they are not really our friends, kind of.
53:58
And so the way he said this was really impactful. And it’s not just me being his friend or me calling I’m a friend of God, I’m a friend of God, but there’s no, it’s not reciprocal, where he’s not being a friend of ours, right, and so that was a huge thing for me and it was just, it was amazing, I mean, it’s just. I encourage people actually to hang out with him and say Holy Spirit, how can we take our friendship to the next level? I may be calling you a friend or I might be saying I’m a friend of God or singing that song, but truly, are you calling me a friend? Am I really your friend? Do I act?
54:35 – Jaime Luce (Host)
like that. Yes, that’s so good. Well, you and you basically say that on page 85 at the top you said I’m not a mooch. We are friends. We break bread together, share life together, swap stories, laugh, cry, sit in silence. We spend time together for the joy of fellowship, not for the purpose of industry. Yes, so good. And I looked at my crumpled list Forget it, I’m just.
55:03
I can just picture it as, like check that list away. Oh my goodness, a real change had taken place. And let’s go over to page 94, because this was hilarious to me. This was a story. This made me laugh out loud. I mean, I sat and laughed out loud and I know this is how God works. And I love this because this shows the friendship of God.
55:27
Because you, I had never thought of it this way till I, till I read you saying this and I loved it. You’d said and I didn’t highlight the exact spot, but you said you haven’t been very funny lately, boy, I’ve never thought of that, for the Lord. You haven’t been very funny lately, though I know in times where I thought his sense of humor, I’ve known his sense of humor, but I never thought of it in with that language. It just opened it up Like it was when you, you said it in friendship, you laugh together Like this is funny and we enjoy this. We have joy, you know.
56:02
And so when you told this story and I’m going to let you tell this story, because I think this is hilarious, this is how personal, so deeply personal and yet so funny and answering the hearts cry of you saying I’m missing this. You’re saying, as a friend, I miss this part of you. I love that because if I had a friend that all this maybe they’re serious, serious or they’re going through something, and and you just kind of say, I really miss this about you. You know, or if or if you have haven’t spent time with them in a while and you realize, oh, I miss that about that person. And you know, whatever that is, even the memory of a person, you can think this is what I miss the most about them. And you’re, you’re in that with the Lord and you’re saying, okay, holy Spirit, this is what I’m used to with you and I miss this. Where is this? And this is him being funny with you. So why don’t you share the story?
56:57 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
Okay, I’m going to keep it short, okay, but I won’t give all the details. But that Wednesday I said to him you haven’t been funny lately because we really laughed together. Because I make these comments and then he responds back pretty quickly and he is quite witty and smart.
57:14
And so that morning when I said you haven’t been funny lately. It’s almost like we didn’t have a comeback, you know, back and forth kind of a thing. And Thursday evenings we still have our home group and we have about 45, 50 people that used to come and I’m and this kids and I don’t know why just said I think I need to go to Walmart to get some toilet paper. And Paul said no, we have enough toilet paper. And then we were going back and forth and finally he said if we find eight toilet papers in this house then we won’t go. And so we ran around the whole house and no seven did he say seven, seven, I think. And we ran around the whole house and I almost wanted to hide one, you know, but because you thought you needed to and I thought oh, if I hide one, there’ll be one less, and then we have to go whatever.
58:02
But you know, when you’re walking with the Lord, even if you feel like you want to do something wrong, you just can’t, you just can’t do it. So, of course, I didn’t hide one, and there were eight which I was like yay, so we, we or some of that, so we had to yeah, like you realize, you didn’t have to go, that’s right.
58:20
And then the very next that evening, when we had friends come in, this girl it was her first time coming to our house, so imagine her. She had to be really obedient to the Lord and I really thank her for being obedient. Yes, because it’s so hard.
58:37 – Jaime Luce (Host)
That is to me. That is total. She’s showing she lives a surrendered life, because that’s that is total obedient.
58:43 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So she passes by the grocery store where where Holy Spirit tells her to go buy toilet paper in serving and cookies or something. And so she comes and she parks in front of the house and the Holy Spirit says, no, go back into your car and go back and buy it. And so she obeys, which, which that teaches me a lesson, you know, and when the Lord tells you to do weird things, just do it, don’t even question it. Yeah, and, and so she did. And when she came in, she was like I, like you know, she has a toilet paper down and and oh my goodness, my eyes lit up and I’m like Holy Spirit. I automatically knew Holy Spirit, you are so funny. Yes, and so she was like don’t look at me. Weird, you know, I just Holy Spirit told me.
59:27
I’m running for our cookies. It was so good and I was just like, oh, you are so cool. I was like. Holy Spirit, you are so cool and you are so present in our conversations. Yes, and you hear and you listen and you want to be a part of it.
59:42 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, I know it’s so good and I know we’re running out of time and I and I, but if I can keep you just a couple of years, okay, we’ll move to daughter. So we’re at daughter and on page 103, 103, you put as an adult believer, I gave the idea of God as father some mental ascent. I love that because we a lot of us do this at some point or another. I embraced the concept generally. After all, we are all God’s children.
01:00:13
So in that sea of humans populating the planet, if we are all children of God, then how special could that really be? I mean, you’re, you’re, you’re really questioning your personal identity in God’s eyes. Like, do you really see the intricacies of me, who I am, my value as your daughter, being God’s daughter, was just information to me. It was something I knew about God. It was not something I had experienced with him yet. But now that I was beginning to know him as my friend, funny, involved, conversational, a living and breathing part of my daily life, I could begin to reach for the truth of experiencing him as my heavenly father, not just a distant benevolent being responsible for seven billion people on the planet, but as a loving, invested, caring father to me.
01:01:10 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
I’ll tell you this, my goodness there. We didn’t put that story in here, but there was a pivotal moment, and I think every child of God needs to have that pivotal moment where they hear the father, just as Jesus heard the father say this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased. We each have to hear him for our own selves. So I was having I was actually. We have devotionals and communion every morning, and so I was.
01:01:37
Paul was away, so I was leading it and my dad was sitting across the table, my mom on the right hand side and we had a friend on the left, and here I’m sharing this deep things that I just learned, and revelation about David and something. And I’m thinking this is so good. My mom’s taking notes, my friend’s like oh wow, you know her eyes bright, and my dad on the other side had just like poker face, okay, and he must have been processing it himself. And in my head I’m thinking why is he not saying anything? Why is he like just so, he must have been processing it in his own way. But I was just expecting something from him and affirmation or something, and at that moment in time I heard the father say he is not your father. I’m your father, and this is what I have to say to you. And he goes on.
01:02:24
And at that moment it went from head knowledge to heart, where I caught it. And I think every Christian, every born again Christian, every child of God, needs to have that own heart to head, to heart, where it drops to the heart, yes and no, and you’ve heard it in, either audibly or spiritually, or in your spirit or in your know that he is. I mean he is you have to kind of know for yourself.
01:02:49 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes.
01:02:50 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
And that was my moment, for me, and it was so, so free. Yeah, he sees me and this is what he has to say, even though there are so many billions of people in the world right they are his children Right.
01:03:06 – Jaime Luce (Host)
But I am. You know, that’s good I have. My cousin is a minister and he was telling the story of how at one point, the Lord was calling them to go and be missionaries for a time in France. They were down in Nice and it was very comical all the ways that the Lord was doing it. The same way he was being funny. I mean, they would go to Home Depot and go to check out and all of a sudden the machine would talk to him in French. I mean, how often does that? You know, it might talk to you in Spanish if you’re here, but it’s, you know, french of all things.
01:03:39
And he would say things like that would happen all the time. And he would have people ask him well, how, like how do you know that this is God? And how he said he learned to think of himself in a way that he heard from another minister and resonated with him. But it’s this idea. And he said I know that we’re all God’s children, but I tend to think of him as that. I’m his favorite. I was personal. I’m his favorite. It’s going to say that yes.
01:04:11 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
I’ll leave it because so funny, there was a couple of actually prophetic words I got and somebody gave me a mug saying you are his favorite. And oh, you are one of his favorites and. I take that, I take that personally yes, all his children. He loves us all, but I’ll tell you, you can be close enough to him to hear from him and he shares secrets with you and you can be his favorite you can be close.
01:04:34 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, that’s so good. I let’s go to page 107 and we’re down about halfway. But it says now, whenever the old nature tries to reassert itself, or and you spoke about this earlier or the orphan spirit rear ugly head.
01:04:55
I get back on course quickly by asking myself these four questions am I trying to hide something? So this is really key, because this is saying is there a block between this relationship? Why am I feeling this way? What’s going on what? What breach has come what? What change has taken place?
01:05:13
So I love this, that you’ve given them four questions. This is what you ask yourself am I trying to prove something? Am I fearful of something? Am I afraid of losing something? And I love that because if we are willing to ask those questions, we recognize that the deficiency is in our thinking. It’s nothing to do with anything.
01:05:36
He’s changed in our relations, right, it’s in what. What am I allowed in here? What am I thinking? What’s going on inside of me that I have allowed this feeling of I’m not where I used to be? Something has changed? What have I lost? And I think many go through that that there’s a time when you, if you walk with the Lord for any length of time, you can gain a little bit of this expectation of what you are. It is expectation of what you expect from the, to feel from the Lord or to sense him. And you could be praying and think I don’t hear you, why am I not hearing you what? And we can immediately revert, like you said, and start thinking old thoughts and old patterns, just because something isn’t happening the way we expected it to happen or in the time that we expected it to happen that’s right.
01:06:25 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
So and you just I learned this from Carrie and cheeky where you know, with the orphan spirit, where I, if you, if you are, if you have the true sonship, like if you know who you are in him, you have nothing to hide, nothing to lose, nothing to fear, nothing to prove, and it’s been like so freeing in that, yes, literally most of the things that you would do normally, like, say, for instance, as an orphan or not born again, like people out there, like think of people who are not born again, they’re always trying to prove something, or they’re fearful or they’re they, they like gathering or don’t, are not generous because they’re trying to figure out. We don’t want to lose anything, we want to save it up because we can’t, we won’t have what we need to have, and so these are really good questions to ask in terms of saying where you are, if you really know who you are as his son or daughter, and knowing that you don’t have to fend for yourself.
01:07:22 – Jaime Luce (Host)
That’s so good that’s so good, okay. Well, we’ll move over to bride. We’ll kind of close out with this and I’ll let you at the end talk about an invitation and pray for everybody. But under moving from daughter now into this bride category, on page 138, and you’ve got this in quotes and this is. I love this because this is a scripture reference and I want people to to understand that everything that we’re talking about this is based off of scripture for one, but that this is our instruction to. These are how. This is how the Lord teaches us, pulls us along and trains us in our relationship with him by his word. But it says if you will walk in my ways and keep my charge, then you shall rule my house and have charge of my courts and I will give you the right of access among those who are standing here. I mean that’s that scripture really encapsulates that. Moving from that position of daughter into the bride position that you are explaining. How did God use that scripture?
01:08:40 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
with you there’s. So there’s a few ways actually, and I’m still walking it out. So nobody has arrived and it’s not like Sam the bride of Christ, I’m still walking it out. But the Lord, the Lord, gave me the scripture. A few times actually, it’s come up in the last few years and just even trying to know his ways.
01:09:04
When I asked how do you process things, lord, how do you in our business? So we always say, if we steward what we have and he owns everything, he owns all the properties we have. He owns all the properties we manage. If we steward it well, then he will give us more. Then he takes from those who don’t steward well, who don’t manage well. He gives it to those who do. And there’s a parable about that? Yes, and it there’s, and that’s how we operate our stuff. So everything we have is his and we’re just being good stewards right. And so this is if you, if you walk in my ways and you keep my charge, and I’ll give you more than you have more access and more, more authority and more power in in how to manage it, because he’s very extravagant and very generous, but he’s a good manager and a good steward. He’s not wasteful. He collected the 12 baskets.
01:10:01
Yes, and, and so just learning the ways of his home, yeah, of his house yes and trust us with it yes, that’s good so all throughout, being a servant and friend and daughter. We’re trusting him, but when we come into this bride maturity, he’s trusting us to manage his house yeah, that’s good, that’s really trusting us to run it. He asked hey, jamie, what would you like to do? How would you like to run this? What can I partner with you about?
01:10:29 – Jaime Luce (Host)
so good, so good. Okay, let’s, that’s. That’s awesome. I love that. Let’s go to what? Page 141, and this is a mentality. You’re explaining a mentality here, and and I this is important because we need to understand this and I’ve thought of this myself. I think I’ve used something similar to this in in previous episodes where I’m talking about this idea, but this, this is really good.
01:10:53
You said I can pick a man at random and Google him. I can learn everything there is to know about him where he lives and works, his credit score, the deeds to his properties, his tax returns, where he’s traveled, who’s who he’s related to. Anything else I can to spend time learning, but that will not make me his wife. Knowing about him will give me no authority or access to who he is or what he owns. If I tried to approach him and they claim to his provision or protection, he would cast me out. I don’t know. You get away from me and you’re quoting from a scripture. I know this is a great understanding that, in order for us to live in this proper understanding of who we are in Christ as his bride, it’s not a matter of head knowledge which we touched on before. So maybe you can give us just a kind of tie this up for us. What the what the bride needs to be thinking about, what what her position is as bride?
01:12:11 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
and so it’s important to know his word and study his word and that’s kind of like it sets the foundation in and increases. But we also have to know him. You know, what I usually say is the scripture that says Matthew 633 says seek first the kingdom of God. But what I’ve added actually to this is also seek the king, seek the king as you seek the kingdom, and don’t forget about him. And it’s so important for us to get to know him. I asked people, do you even know? Like, if he came to your home, what would you offer him? Coffee or tea, what does he like? Those are conversations I have with them. Or if I eat something, it’s really good, I’ll have you try this, lord. You must be trying something better than this, or?
01:12:55 – Jaime Luce (Host)
yes, I’m gonna say it sounds like your desire is saying you’re just wanting to share everything. Yes, we’ll just share your experiences and all and and have that, that closeness of every little thing. You’re involved with me in this.
01:13:13 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
I’m not let’s say if I was hanging out with you, right, and I walked with you everywhere you went and you completely ignored me and didn’t offer me anything or didn’t talk to me. That would be weird, yes, weird, yeah. And so imagine he’s in us, he’s with us, he’s walking with us. He said I never leave you, no, forsake you, but so many times we ignore him. Yeah, so true and we don’t include him.
01:13:36
Isn’t that weird, though, if I was walking with you and living with you in your home and they’re at your table and just hanging out with you, but if you totally ignored me? Yeah offer me anything you were eating yes, yeah totally, totally.
01:13:52
It’s that kind of bringing it to like the spiritual realm is very, very real. Yes, you may not see him, but he is there. Yes, and so just involving him in our every day, every single thing, is not absurd or not, is not abnormal. It should be normal, yes, and so this whole, this quote here, embracing religion without investing in a relationship, is nothing more than foolish idolatry.
01:14:22
Yeah, we try to do things for him while as ignoring him right there and not speaking to him or talking to him, yes, and so I just encourage people that, no matter where they are, and and I’m not saying, if you’re the bride, you’re not the daughter or his friend- right or Paul yes, I have his wife, but I’m also his best friend, right, you know, and I serve him.
01:14:46
So you’re in it, you’re all of this and you might be. There might be different levels of things, that you might be 10 out of 10 servant, but you are probably a 2 on the friend scale and you need to increase that. Get him as a friend that he wants to be a friend yeah, I would just encourage people to wherever you are, just start from there and just build a relationship.
01:15:10 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Talk to it yes, I’ll read this last thing on page 149, and this is how you start your invitation, and that’s basically what you’re doing right now inviting people into this. But things we cannot know you’re talking about. Paul spoke of mysteries, things we cannot know unless God reveals them to us by his spirit, no matter how hard we may try to figure them out on our own. This is a blessing. If we could know God by our own reasoning or imagination, we would create him in our image and I’ve said that before, that is so true and make our own idol. Whatever we want, as we think or want him to be in our minds rather than as he is. The limitation of our minds would limit us. God could never be that small. That’s right. That’s so good, so good.
01:16:04
Well, yvonne, this is this book. I’m telling you everybody, be on the veil. You need to get yourself a copy. I want you, yvonne, to pray over us and and whatever you feel in your heart, but, but after we do that, I’ll give you a chance to let everybody know how to reach you and if there’s ministry, so, because I know you’ve got a lot going on that you do so. I want to be able to give you time to do that, but I want to thank you because this was, this is a gift, this is a real gift that you’ve given to everybody. Thank you for sharing your story with us and and the great insights and revelation that Holy Spirit has shared with you as his friend and bride, so, servant, and why don’t you pray for those listening today?
01:16:49 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
father.
01:16:49
We just thank you so much, holy Spirit. We thank you for being part of our conversation here, lord, and I thank you, lord, that for every listener, wherever they are in their walk, father, I pray, lord, that you would overwhelm them with your love so they open their eyes to see who you really, really are to them, that you are their father and you just love them and you want to draw them deeper so they can be in you, in your arms, that they feel like they feel you, lord, wherever they are even now listening, that they would just feel your presence so, so intimately. And, holy Spirit, open their eyes to see Jesus for who he is, not for who they think he is or for who they were told he is, but for who he is their bridegroom king, their, their bridegroom king that looks at them with total love and with with such intense, extreme delight, extreme appreciation, lord, that we can even sometimes fathom how much he loves us. And, lord, I pray, lord, that you just open their eyes to see it, open their ears to hear those words. Holy Spirit, be funny with them. Be funny with them, lord, just be so real.
01:18:06
And, lord, I know you already do this, but we thank you for doing that, thank you for speaking to us in our own language and thank you for just meeting us where we are and walking with us and not giving up on us. And thank you for pursuing us, pursuing us in such a deep, deep, deep way. And thank you, lord, for just making yourself real to us, for living in us and walking with us, that we’re never alone and we have nothing to hide and nothing to prove and nothing to lose or fear. And we thank you for that. We thank you that we can just rest in you and just be. And we thank you, lord, for giving us the desires, for putting the desires in there and then for working them out, for doing it on our behalf, that everything is just done out of rest.
01:18:57
And, lord, thank you for your blessings, that you don’t add sorrow to it. I thank you, lord, for taking us from glory to glory. I thank you, lord, that even though we walk through the shadow of the value that it’s a shadow, it’s not even real and you’re with us, you’re rodent and you’re staff. They protect us, and goodness and mercy shall follow us all the days of our life, and we thank you for that. Goodness and mercy, chasing us all the days of our lives, that we don’t have to run after it. But they run after us, and we thank you for that in Jesus’ name.
01:19:33 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Amen. Oh, that’s so good, thank you. I know that everyone who’s listened today has been encouraged to grow, that you’ve helped stoke the fire inside their spirits to get them to desire to continue in that growth and in their relationship with the Lord. Deepen that and enrich it in whatever way that they can. It’s been so good. Well, tell us how we can get ahold of the book and if they need to contact you and what ministry opportunities maybe that there are. I know you have been a missionary all over, so I do go, we do actually travel, we share it.
01:20:12 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
But actually in February we’re going to Marseille. We go every year, friends, and then in Armenia we do a women’s retreat conference, and so we are, I am open to speaking and sharing. You can find the book on Amazon or there’s a website as well and it’s evanallancom, and they can email me there or reach out to me over there and literally I mean I just get the book on Amazon, but if you want a free copy of the book, reach out to me and I’ll send you one.
01:20:46
Literally it’s been kind of like a business card, you know, kind of like. Here’s my story and I am so like. If you can’t buy the book, let me know. Email me info at evanallancom and I will mail you a book. I am so convinced and you know how you said the word of our testimony you overcome by the blood of the lamb. And the word of our testimony, this is the word of my testimony, and we’ve covered it by the blood of the lamb. And when you entered this, just like the children of Israel, when they entered into their home where it was covered by the blood, they were saved, they overcame. And as you open the book and enter it and read it, you will overcome and it cannot be otherwise. It’s what it is and so I encourage you to get it and read it.
01:21:36 – Jaime Luce (Host)
And they’ll have their own story to tell. That’s fantastic amen.
01:21:39 – Yvonne Allen (Guest)
And I’m always excited to hear what the testimonies are that come out.
01:21:43 – Jaime Luce (Host)
Yes, yes, in fact, I encourage people. If you get ahold of this book, I want you to email Yvonne and let her know how it impacted you and encourage her in that way, to let her know that her story has impacted your life, and even from this today. If this message that you use, both of us would love to hear from you so you can email Yvonne. You can email me at jamieloosecom. All the ways to get my email is mail at jamieloosecom, but you can get there through the web page as well. Do us a favor if this is ministered to you and you know others who would be encouraged by this, or you know that this would spur on and encourage growth in others. Share this episode, like and share that.
01:22:23
The old adage was sharing is caring, and many times it is. I know that’s a little bit of a cliche anymore, but it really is, and you’re doing your part to help us get the message out, so we do appreciate that. Thank you again, yvonne. Thank you for making the time to be with us. This is a pleasure and she really truly is a very generous person. Her generosity is a huge. I know it’s one of the things that the Lord is so proud of her, for she’s very. She means it when she says she just wants you to get ahold of it. She wants it to be a blessing to you.
01:22:59
So if that is an issue for you, if buying the book is a problem, please contact her, but if it’s not, I encourage you invest, invest, invest, invest in yourself. Yes, yes, exactly yes, and be a blessing to her. This was a blessing to you, be a blessing to her. So thank you again, yvonne, for doing the book. It’s been a pleasure. We’ll do it again sometime. Thanks you folks for being with us today. It was our pleasure to spend some time with you and share with you some of the things that Yvonne has learned with her experience and relationship walk with the Lord and how you can have an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit. It will change and impact your life. Be blessed. We’ll see you next time.
